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Yeah I loved PES5 too, I had it on the PC and had an amazing patch for it. None of this 100mph football, you had time to think about how to play the game rather than mashing the buttons. Granted, AI at top level could be a cheating shit at times, so not alot has changed in five years really!

Thats the problem though, profit margins and the reason why both games are still continually made. They are huge cash cows. I guarantee the money made isn't ploughed into making the product better but skimmed off the top to keep the executive bastards wealthy. Bloody annoying! They must...

No me neither but the transfers are rarely correct on PES anyhow. I was thinking more along the lines of both companies proactively working on regular patches whilst having more time to work on a better product.

If you have all out attack selected when trailing your goalie should appear in the penalty area from corner kicks in the dying embers of a game, i.e injury time. Its happened to me twice and my friend even scored with his goalkeeper!

Mostly agree but Joleon Lescott? Maybe a couple of seasons ago but not now.

To the above poster, you're right and it pretty much concurs with my other post. The current demographic coining it for EA is the parent/young teen market. Thats why FIFA will continue to out sell PES - its a glossy product that kids will want bought for them for Christmas. Until Konami...

Ironically though they continue to give Javier Zanetti good stats despite his growing years. I'm not opposed to them doing so as he is still a good player but its fawning to larger teams. If Javier Zanetti was playing for anyone other than Inter his stats would not be so high!

Bang on the money, players lose a yard of pace over time but not technique.

Real ability doesn't diminsh with time.

Konami and EA make their money from the younger gamer playing market, specifically parents buying for their kids. This demographic are not your typical complain on a forum site and give feedback to Konami and EA. Because the core buying public are happy to buy the annually churned out product...

Age might affect his pace and stamina but he is still scoring free-kicks for Al-Gharafa in Qatar. Age certainly hasn't diminished his free-kick ability. This is konami selling him a bit short because he is playing outside of a major league. He's easily still a 97 for free-kicks and similiar...

Holy shit guys, what in the name of sanity is going on?! The arguments in these forums are getting incredibly personal and borderline vicious. People excoriating each other over matters not even related to PES. There's a hell of a lot of anger in these pages at the moment.

It wouldn't be too much effort for Konami to include actual youth team players from licensed teams. I believe Real Madrid and Barcelona should have their youth teams available on ML, its the natural evolution of ML in the long run.

Jesus chaps, PES2011 certainly polarises opinion but fooking hell its like a free-for-all in here!

Ah man thats really shot up my flag pole, you are spot on, Goalkeepers are a facking disaster on PES2011. I cannot work out for the life of me why when I hold Triangle my goalkeeper does a 'Xabi Alonso' ... forwards ... backwards ... forwards ... for fook sake. Must be to allow forwards a...

Not really, once you get up to a reasonable level you should be ok but it depends how much sprinting you do during a match along with how low your stamina is too.

It'll be statistical lad, your player is probably knackered and the subs have higher overall and general stats than you. Tis the way of things.

Don't want to rock the boat here but Real Madrid's wealth is a misnomer. They are able to fund player sales on the back of some fairly 'flexible' bank loans and some fairly kind 'assistance' from the Madrid Council (Madrid council paid £300million for Real Madrids training complex and then...

Cost of PES each year £39.99 .... Cost of replacing PS3 controllers after PES rage £39.99 ... feeling of elation as you punch the air after scoring a cracking goal - with your 5th PS3 controller that week - priceless. Thats what PES is, annoying but addictive, frustrating but then enjoyable...

Bloody hell, what time did you go to bed? 4am?! It takes me ages to get through a season on 10min halves. I can only manage about 3 or 4 games before my concentrations starts to wane