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^Jesus christ. Just play the game to decide. BTW, you must be blind to see pes 09 an arcade game when compared to 08. I suggest to first try pes 09 to decide. It's not fair to just decide to get fifa after playing the demo. Play the demo for pes 09 too and then decide.

Nice find. There's a big difference between pes 09 and the others. Pes 5 comes the closest so far. But I'm only judging 09 from the videos. I have to play it to fully decide.

I know it's better to come up with a new engine. But for now I'm happy because pes 09 seems pretty good.

^Well the referes are sometimes blind even in real life. Referees make mistakes.

I'll get both. But I think that pes will be better.

Pes engine is not old because they still need to make the best out of it.

Well yeah, but if you compare 08 videos to this one, you'll see a huge improvemnts even if you're watching a video.

I completly agree with you. It does happen but happens less to very good goalkeeprs. If it happens in the game, I will be happy because that's realism. I don't want goalers that never makes a mistake because they will become robots not humans. Also pes 09 is a huge improvement over 08 from what...

^I don't know what you're seeing. The defense is tons better than 08 and ofcourse, they would leave gaps, otherwise it won't be realistic. The keeprs are improved when playing on Top player especially. Look at the new Man utd video.

I would really like if there was more stadiums.

I think geramany are licensed otherwise they wouldn't be in the demo. Also the demo will be good. Just like the other pes demos.

Shevchenko made his move to milan a bit late. I won't blame Konami if he isn't with AC milan. That's why we have the transfers in edit mode.

Good to see that detail. I hope so.

I don't think there is for ps2. I dunno, maybe try Gamespot or IGN.

I will get both.

^Yeah. Also the ps2 had lack of moves and dives too. But you still can do logos and sponsors.

^Thats's the best for me.

^Well I hope that at least pes 09 will be a pes 5 with HD graphics. I'll be happy.

The new videos of Pes 09 shows that it went back to pes 5. Hopefully it's true.

Xbox live is better than PSN. It's a known fact. Also pes 2008 was a bit better on 360 in framerate but it's the same on everything else. As for option files.Yeah it is easier on ps3 to transfer them I think because on 360 there are slight risks with live. But how does anyone know that there...