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I can see them now. They're back on the 1st page of this thread.

No one knows anything yet.

Thnaks. It works too.

I'm really liking the edit mode. It's awesome.

^Yeah after all the edit mode is back (and it can be better because of PNG's and bigger sponsors and clearer) and the gameplay is the thing that makes it a good game.

I can zoom in from the internet window. Thanks 2 face but it couldn't work for me because the middle button of my mouse is broken. It won't work anymore.

^you're doing the same thing. You don't care if Fifa 09 is the same as 08. Jesus, just waut for it to come out instead of saying it will be better, etc... Fifa 09 got comments like "It's looking like 08" "No Improvements" GTA IV is better than these game because it had the most...

First of all play the games and then decide. You can say it's LOOKING the best game up to date but not it will BE the best game up to date. It's isn't even out. That's fanboyism. Chinaman I already said that they both look good so I'm gonna get them both. I'm actually looking forward for both...

Sounds pretty good. It's hard to read them though.

It sounds awesome especially PNG'S and loading from HDD. With PNG'S you can save much more space for away and keeper kits and do just 1. Wow. It's awesome.

EVERY GAME WILL GET NEGATIVE REVIEWS. This is just reality. Fifa fans will comment negatively on Pes and vice versa.

I won't believe any rumors. I need to see or read it on a trusted site to believe it.

I've read many positive review for Pes 09. Every game will have negative reviews. Hell, even GTA IV got some negative reviews which weren't true because that game is just awesome.

Ok so this war must end. Fifa fanboys won't admit anything bad against Fifa and to them Fifa 09 is the best and perfect (which no game is) and Pes fans dislike Fifa to death. So you're never gonna agree. So far I preferred Pes (Pes 08, I don't play it anymore because I'm bored of it). This year...

The game isn't even out yet so I don't think so.

A stadium editor would be awesome. But it won't be there I guess.

Gameplay it's an opinion but graphics? Everone can see the detail and it's obvious that Pes has much betterlooking players but Fifa has better stadiums and lighting effects. I'm not talking about Fifa and pes 09. Im'talking about the 08 versions.

I guess so too.

In 2008 they do it but as challenges not trophies.

^Yeah. You're 100% right.