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Yes but from the gameplay videos you can see that it's looking much beter than last year. Pes5 gameplay is back I believe. Well I hope so.

Pes 5 and 6. But If I had to choose then 5. It had better AI I think. Ps2 versions.

It looked like a better version of Pes5 and 6. I think yes it will be the best pro.

The only graphic fifa has better are the stadiums. Other than that Pro is better especially on player likeness and models.

I can't post links for some reason or another. Really. It's from WENB. They said it's miles better than 08. I hope so. I never said I'm not impressd with Fifa 09. You're the one not accepting the FACT that pes 09 is looking miles better than 08. You know Fifa 09 got soem bad comments too, just...

It's gonna be a tough battle between Fifa 09 and pes 09. They both look good.

Screenshots can be edited. Decide with gameplay movies. They both have goods and bads. Fifa has better stadiums but pro has better players and models. So graphically they can get the same score.

^Yes. I believe that pes 09 will be much better than 08. Also I'm not the one picking up fights over the best game. I'll decide what to buy when they're out. It's the fufa fans that keep on posting on the PES forum saying how good fifa is. Seriously that's just unfair. Online is online and a...

The brazil screenshot is pretty good. there's somethng I must say though. In the videos the graphics looked better.

I didn't mean you. Actually I meant to no one. I meant to quit this fighting. I have to agree with you on Fifafanboys coming to Pes forum to say how good their game is and how bad Pes is. They're retards. I respect their opinion but it's not a wise thing to be a fifa fanboy and come to this...

It's pretty good.

The goalkeeper did nothing wrong. Good video.

I won't take any notice anymore and won't bother showing proof. It's said in every review I saw. It's under the videos. They were impressed. Ofcourse there are some that won't like it but the same happes to Fifa 09.

^Don't notice them but respect their opinion. The only thing that annoys me is when they say that their game has better graphics and is not arcade like Pes which is not true.

Let's cut this fanboyism. I'm talking to both sides. Both will have to admit that both games have improved. And pes has improved as much as Fifa. Get over it because it's real. About graphics. In Fifa screenshots, it looks pretty good but it just didn't show it in the gameplay videos for some...

I won't go into details but you are clearly the biggest fanboy. You say fifa 09 is the king and you haven't even played it? Also Pes was known for football sim. Pes 08 wasn't that much of a sim. So the arcade thing is pure fanboyism.

You are clearly a fanboy. No pes game is arcade. Mayeb Pes 08 is a bit because you can get high scores. In fifa you get high scores in every match. It's less in Fifa 08. Also try to make sense like other forum members said because the first part does not make sense.

That's good news.

Pes 09 is graphically better, has better passing, slower pace, better animations, harder shooting and old edit mode. Is that enough to make pes 09 better. Yes it is.

Pes 09 will bring some of these things back I hope.