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Kidding me right? Really really poor? Just seems like a really biased thing to say. Even though Pes 2009 is far from the best in the series it's far from poor gameplay and I still play it regularly to this day so that says a lot about how "shite" it is. But now I'm finding it hard to go back...

If it's faster or slower I'm not noticing. All I know is it's a helluva lot better ;) Dribbling and trapping is also much better. You no longer boot the ball to the next city when trapping or sprint dribbling with the best players. Seems the AI has gotten better as well. They're scoring...

At that time it was Konami but now who knows it could very well be EA. You just never know with IGN which is why I say no one should take any of their reviews seriously. I used to love them around 10 years ago, when they gave very in depth 5 page reviews. Then over the years they shorten them to...

U a funny guy :laugh: It doesn't take a genius to figure out I was talking about teams I played against.

I couldn't care less what Ign thinks as they have a shady track record but the way Eurogamer easily dismisses Pes in that review worries me. The Japanese demo is really enjoyable and if it were to lose out to Fifa I just can't imagine by such a big margin like how that review suggests. As...

Played a few games with my mate and our 1st impression is it puts the pes demo to shame. More smooth, more responsive, and imo the frame rate is higher. Superstar difficulty is nice, I guess Konami believes Europe is not good enough for it which is a shame :lol2:. Also playing as Brazil is nice...

Not trying to take anything away from Fifa 10 but those are the same bastards that gave Pes 2008 for the PS3 a 9.2. Ign are shit. No one should take them seriously.

Ideally yes we should be able to go top player without a trade off. Hopefully things will be better in the final game. I know what you mean how in previous editions all teams generally play a similar style in the com's hands so it'll be interesting to see if all the various team styles really...

At 1st I didn't notice the 360 dribbling until I discovered I was being far too harsh with my thumb. So I became more gentle and surely enough it's there, alive and well. The slower u go and better dribbler u have, the more noticeable it is. I think people who don't notice are ones who have...

Well made video good job. Very professional looking especially the intro.

This has been the case with just about every Pes. Pro vs Top, 5* vs 6*. I always spend a lot of time on both in every Pes so rest assured you're not delusional. On Pro they sit back more, the d plays deeper, and they don't press like madmen so often times it's harder to score on them but...

I don't think the demo is bad at all but right now being not bad just doesn't cut it. After reading all the previews, especially psm3's comparison, I was expecting amg this is better than sex! Fifa's demo on the other hand left a good impression on me, someone who didn't enjoy Fifa 09. Here's...

:laugh: love that show. I pray all those previewers are right about old build for demo and how the near complete one is a lot better. I agree with majority here the demo is like a gorgeous pes 2009 and not much more :erm:

Funny but liked the Pes 2009 version better.

Seems like everyone has the wrong idea here. It's the most underrated in pes history thread, not the who is your fav player that can use a slight upgrade thread. I think Messi from Pes 4 has to be most underrated ever. He was just god awful in that and even as a 17 year old he was hot shit...

I guess you never watched that match. If it wasn't for him Germany would've scored twice as much. He was the only player that showed up for Saudi. Not one of the finest but very good keeper nonetheless.

Yea JC has been the best over the past couple years. The saves this guy consistently makes are just unreal. There's only been 1 guy in Pes ahead of him who goes by the name of Buffon. Even though I think JC is better than Buffon these days I think in Pes 2010 Buffon will still get better stats.

Surprised no mention of C. Ronaldo in 2009 yet. Even after they nerfed his shot accuracy after the patch, he still has to be the best ever. Play him up front instead of out wide and he's untouchable. Speed, touch, strength, heading, free kicks, positioning, distance shooting; can score from just...

I'm skeptical.

Sorry Lako it just doesn't happen that way in reality lol. It really is random. Sometimes you just wake up on wrong side of bed. Maybe a lack of sleep. Too much sex the night b4 :tongue:. Maybe a mosquito bit your foot causing you to play like absolute crap. So many factors can affect your...