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Half of you are getting your knickers in a fankle over nothing, not buying a game because you can't but the stripes on a celtic top? Stop being so fucking pathetic.

If you think back to PES3 though, was there not about 24 colours to choose from? IF i'm right, this is considerably better, I think you'll probably be able to get any kit combination out of this selection.

I'm totally hearing you mate, but I guess I can live with no-online play, my main concern is the gameplay, if that's up to scratch then i'll start to moan about lack of online play.

I don't personally think it's worth spending a hundred and thirty/fourty pounds just to play the game online. Then further money for the convertor? Nah, not worth it mate. I'd just stick with the old PS2 and get mates over. If you wait a year, PES5 will be online for Ps2.

Fifa looks far better, Pes4 is a piss take really, but as said, if the disk is always gonna be in the PS2, then it's no big deal.

This would actually just make the game so fookin incredible, I would cry with joy for days when that game arrives in through the post.

Supposedly they're there but a coding problem doesn't let them show? Or so i've heard. It's just the case of using something like Code Shark to unlock them?

Totally mate, to say WE7 was better than PES3 is incorrect, WE7:i was better mate but to be honest, thank fuck I didn't buy WE7:i cos for all the differences, it's not worth it.

I don't reckon they'll meet the October 15th release date, I call it nearer to start of November.

That's a patched version of Winning Eleven 7 mate. I don't believe what has been said about editing mode having less kit options, that has to be bull, would make no sense to take stuff out.

This is the wrong forum mate, probably best in general gamng or off topic.

1. Accurately Made yourself? Yes 2. Made yourself with FULL stats? No 3. Made a celebrity? No 4. Lost against a girl? No 5. Won against a girl? Yes 6. Lost to a younger brother or sister? No 7. Beaten someone you would consider a PES pro? Yes (My cousin) 8. Wondered where the ref is? No...

Just saw the long video and is it just me, or do the goalies look super shite?

I was wondering, do you have the ability with Zidane, by pressing R3 for example before a penalty to make him vomit? :p

Yeah, I only thought about that after I posted. I still think if there was a bank of say 200 names, which could be picked randomly with a random letter generator picking an initial in front of the name, this would create some slight individuality.

Why don't they do what CM of past used to do and mix retired players names. Roy Keane and Zidane retire. New players: Zindene Keane Roy Zidane

I'd so the best players are the guys who can go a shit team and still beat you or give you a super close game. My cousin is quite possibly that person, I would go maybe Brazil or Italy, him Saudi Arabia and i'd only narrowly beat him, possibly draw or even lose the odd game. Now just to say...

I'd like to see St James', Bernebeau and Ibrox Stadium. Wouldn't care much for Park Head.

Awesome, looks like there's liscensing in all the dutch teams for definite. In ways though, I wish it was the premiership as the UK will be one of the biggest target markets, not really holland. But sure, it's a step in the right direction and by PES4, they might even have added some more teams.

Meant to mention, that's not the final list, this is an early WE8 list, but it shows that a lot of teams have real names and there have of course been translating errors. Doesn't mean proper strips though.