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I know everyone keeps harping on about it, but PES has lost so many brilliant little things. * Breath seen in the cold in those Champions League away ties in Russia or just winter games * When you play away, supporters tend to have banners and provocative stuff like flares and the...

Iron, don't start having a go at me and Shaun fella, I believe you are way out of line. We don't come on here and triumph PES from on high, but if we are challenged by FIFA fan boys who just come on here (it seems unpunished) and just spout their mouths obviously trolling, then yes, we will...

He means me - err, techboy. And OCKRASS, you miss the point completely! Who says I don't play FIFA that much? In fact this last month I've played FIFA and PES about the same, changed some slider things, changed tactics and positional arrows and runs to try and get the game to not be so 1v1...

Shaun, I've learned that there's little point in argument continuation with people who just cannot analyse what is good and bad in everything. It's just too much hassle these days. What a lot of PES-ites and FIFA fan boys cannot grasp, is that to the vast majority of football fans and...

^ Exactly right. And like Shaun said it isn't FIFA bashing, Jesus I wish FIFA was brilliant this year. But I just cannot understand how people cannot see the flaws in FIFA, which are just horrendously game-breaking. At least PES hits you over the head with a wet fish and says 'here I am, take...

Weight and movement of players needs to be addressed for me. Acceleration stat has to be re-introduced. Variety in team layout (eg offside trap, deep laying defence). Variety in individuality, technical players need to be pass masters, difficult to dispossess etc instead of just speed and...

FIFA, for me, isn't all that. Once you get past the initial wow factor of the passing animations and ball physics, the game becomes a repetitive grid like chore. Once you 'get it', and it may take around 10-20 games, the games will pan out almost exactly the same. You'll almost certainly...

My version is special too...it's the one where I hit the post, get this, six times in a game. Wowsers...and where either me or the CPU get these magic power ups on or around the 45/90th minutes. It's so sweet how the CPU makes Agger criminally deranged seemingly evicting his CB duties and...

Agree with everything Shaun says....and disagree with everything OCKRASS says....now everyone wave to OCKRASS and say 'Hello OCKRASS'....

Ermm....no..... PES has it's faults, and this last month I've been highly critical of certain aspects of the game as I play it more and more. But these are flaws which I'm picking up after like a thousand games. Other flaws that are immediate can be modded out (on the PC). Now, if your...

Well the patchers on the PC have only really scratched the surface even after months. Goalies are now much more reliable, and some of the animations in saves are superb...but there is still a tendency for them to make a fk up of some situations when the scripts kick in. Keeping these...

I can only play it on the PC now, heavily patched. The PS3 is just scripted bullshit, with balloon physics.

Whilst the post is really good and I agree with what is said, therein lies the problem with the game in my opinion. The fact that the human player has to bend toward the CPU AI in any way instead of imposing your tactics on the CPU is a major, major flaw. This is the point I make...

On a side note I'm pretty sure the people on Evo have had a bit of a break-through today with your 'the fastest player becomes slower' theory. Check this out - So it appears that the geniuses over at the yair patch thread have found another gem in Konami's code: Quote: Originally...

Well I don't know fella, and I don't know if this is true or not, but the whispers are that EA are making quite substantial losses, may be because of their very attacking marketing campaigns. You know the saying - turnover is vanity, profit is sanity!

This is exactly right my friend, and something I have been banging on about for ages. When I was on the WENB boards before I got banned for having the audacity to question this shit game out of the box, I stated this numerous times. But alas, these people working at KONAMI and for KONAMI want...

What you need dude is the PC version...if you have a PC that is! The gameplay patches make the game superb, from the basic dung heap that is served up 'out of the box'. You've heard of Yair, Jenkey and Nesa etc, well they are changing the game for the best and together with patches for...

Been wondering about this, so you've played the PS3 version and X-Box, how do they differ?

Level of assistance determines how much the AI aids you, certainly in terms of passing. I would knock everything off, pass. clear, shoot and whatever the assisted options are. It's up to you how much passing assistance you want, and how much of a challenge you want to be honest. PES 2012...

Just to compound this theory I have gotten my PC version of PES to work, with PES Edit. The game looks stunning. Ball physics are spot on, passing is a joy, players movement give you a nice blend of manoeuvrability whilst keeping stats in mind for less agile players. The lighting and pitches...