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I'll tell you the thing though Smink, after going back to 2012 from 2011, the scripting doesn't seem nearly as bad as I remember, even to the point where I'd say I've played 10 games now, and I can't see a single cheat script in operation. Which begs the question, has 2012 honed my skills, or...

I agree. The main problem I have with 2012 is that all the players feel like Ronaldo and Messi, they all have to much fluidity and ease of response. I thought this would be what i was after, a kind of mix between PES values and FIFA fluidity, but now if it comes to whether I want my player to...

Hey Sab, Yeah done all that fella. I've tweaked the game til my heart is content, and was using 2.3, which was excellent. BUT - the core problems of PES 2012 will never go away no matter how many patches or tweaks or gameplay exes come out; that the game is designed to go forward...

The thing is when a new game comes out I feel that I have to give it as best a shot as I can muster. For 2012, this has been a painful, painful situation. I literally tried everything barring the kitchen sink; monitors, tvs, gamespeeds, formations, tactics, patches, mods, console/PC!?!? Every...

Okay guys, I have had time to digest the game and play it in all its form. I have played the PS3 version to death, and played the PC version. I have played it out of the box, with the patches, and with mods. Whilst it does indeed play a smooth game, there's just been something niggling away...

Hmm, I haven't got so much of a problem with the defenders doing what they did in the clips, but I do agree they did that to get to a consequence. For example, defenders in this day and age are under immense pressure from agile quick minded forwards, in clip one defenders do sometimes go...

Swansea. I'm Welsh....and they play the best football.

Agreed I'm afraid. That's why from now on the PC version is the only way for me. I refuse to shell out good money on something that can't be edited or modded.

Have you tried Yair's latest patch? Version 1.6 it is, the animations are **beeping** stunning!!

Ooh, it's not going to be pretty fella! If you want a game that you can 'get' after ten days of playing or so, get FIFA! If you want a game that you are still learning things every day, even months after playing, and even then you still can't just 'beat' the opposition when you feel like...

I won't bore you with the essay I posted on Evo Web, but here is my latest combination of settings to find 'the perfect game'! http://youtu.be/r4I8j6BS4UI http://youtu.be/z2jhOpWCvn0

Both games have serious scripting issues. The only viable game at the moment is a PC modded one.

Hey OCKRASS, Listen dude, I admire your persistence if nothing else, and your love for FIFA is unquestionable. BUT I have some questions for you - Why do you use so much energy in coming on this PES forum day after day after day? It's a free country and all, but I'm just wondering why...

Yair's 1.1 at the moment, with -2 gamespeed. I don't use it with Jenkey's at the moment, I'm just letting Master Yair work his shit lol! There's a version 1.3 which people ar getting excited about so I'm playing them back and forth. I think 1.3 is a little tougher in terms of gameplay...

Maybe. You'll love FIFA for the first three games with it's animations, slick presentation, and Impact Engine(tm). You'll think it' the best game ever in fact. You'll start to wonder just what the hell PES is doing, and you'll start to convince yourself that this is THE football game we've...

I can play the PS3 version of PES, but barely. Jenkey came along again this year and altered the game and now Yair is doing a fantastic job in morphing the game into something incredible on the PC. Together with Fire Patch, Yair's stuff is simply amazing releasing numerous patches to suit...

My final opinions in both titles, out of the box plus patches and a modded PC version v FIFA with slider alterations! "My Big Fat Greek PES 2012 v FIFA 12 Final Review!" Oh man. Where do I start?!? Okay so this year has been THE most frustrating PES v FIFA year ever for me. Just a little...

@ OCKRASS I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. It's up to you, it's you are the one that plays the game. If you think FIFA is all that then good luck. IMO, FIFA has serious cheat points that shaun points out time and time again. This is a post on the FIFA forums, which I agree...

@ OCKRASS I've been playing FIFA a lot lately in between waiting for Yair's patches to come out on the PC version and so feel I need to interject here. FIFA has equally as many infuriating 'cheat' moves as PES and in many ways is even more infuriating as the game suddenly just morphs into...

FIFA's shooting is brilliant....if you want to wait five seconds to actually trigger the shot off that is. For me the shooting is a minor problem in PES 2012, it depends how you look at it. I have taken a fresh philosophy on this, and can say that with certain players anything is possible (in...