- I wanna apologise to WE7 fans - !!!
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Winning 11
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Yeah, WE7 is slower than PES3 at least to me it is. The ball seems heavier and the gameplay is slower which tells us that WE7 is better than PES3. Keepers are MUCH better.
Milosh
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I would disagree with you eskol on several points.
You said that you play PES3 on 60Hz and is faster than WE7. I agree with you on that, but 50Hz mode is actually SLOWER by 10% approximatelly.
And like some people said, it is personal preference about the speed. I enjoy both games, but have to say that PES3 sits in my PS2 more than WE7.
I'm annoyed with hand balls in WE7, and also with graphics issues and bugs in the game, like, if you hit the ball really hard and hit the side of the goal and if the net (in most of the cases YES) bends inwards the goal, it is recognised as a goal. Also, it happens if the ball hit's the back of the net especially after strong shots and freekicks.
GK in WE7 seem to me a bit unrealistic by catching something that is not possible in most of the cases, but hey, it's bloody computer game. Watch real footbal and you'll see that GK CANNOT jump like that and catch the ball in half of the situations that happen in WE7.
Graphics on my LCD monitor and TV look BETTER, sharper, chrispier on PES3 than on WE7 especially on PAL 50Hz since it has 625 lines comparing to 525 lines NTSC.
Now, speed of the game really is persnal preference, and from my broad experience of ISS Pro '98, ISS Pro Evo and ISS Pro Evo 2, I've found that people tend to INCREASE default speed. As a matter of fact, I personally prefere a bit faster game, like 60Hz PES3 than WE7. I like fast, brazilian type of football. But, that's not an issue of realism.
Personally, Konamu should implement good old speed bar, so you can slow it down or speed it up.
Also, I have to add that WE7 has some gliches in graphics like players going through players, or leg going through leg, ball through posts etc...
Both games are great, and are THE BEST football, now read my lips, SIMULATIONS at this moment.
Forget about Fifa, Club Football etc...
You said that you play PES3 on 60Hz and is faster than WE7. I agree with you on that, but 50Hz mode is actually SLOWER by 10% approximatelly.
And like some people said, it is personal preference about the speed. I enjoy both games, but have to say that PES3 sits in my PS2 more than WE7.
I'm annoyed with hand balls in WE7, and also with graphics issues and bugs in the game, like, if you hit the ball really hard and hit the side of the goal and if the net (in most of the cases YES) bends inwards the goal, it is recognised as a goal. Also, it happens if the ball hit's the back of the net especially after strong shots and freekicks.
GK in WE7 seem to me a bit unrealistic by catching something that is not possible in most of the cases, but hey, it's bloody computer game. Watch real footbal and you'll see that GK CANNOT jump like that and catch the ball in half of the situations that happen in WE7.
Graphics on my LCD monitor and TV look BETTER, sharper, chrispier on PES3 than on WE7 especially on PAL 50Hz since it has 625 lines comparing to 525 lines NTSC.
Now, speed of the game really is persnal preference, and from my broad experience of ISS Pro '98, ISS Pro Evo and ISS Pro Evo 2, I've found that people tend to INCREASE default speed. As a matter of fact, I personally prefere a bit faster game, like 60Hz PES3 than WE7. I like fast, brazilian type of football. But, that's not an issue of realism.
Personally, Konamu should implement good old speed bar, so you can slow it down or speed it up.
Also, I have to add that WE7 has some gliches in graphics like players going through players, or leg going through leg, ball through posts etc...
Both games are great, and are THE BEST football, now read my lips, SIMULATIONS at this moment.
Forget about Fifa, Club Football etc...
Winning 11
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I haven`t played PES3 on 50Hz because if I do my screen will be black and white, that`s why I played on 60Hz - I get the full colors you know. And I disagree on many things that you said above. Graphics are just better than PES3 this is already confirmed by alot of people on other boards as well. Also to test which gameplay is actually better is to first play PES3 on Broadcast 3 camera . then let the camera aim at your player by running close to throw in line or near a corner line then start moving your player slowly it will look like they are ice skating not moving or running then go back to we7 and do the same thing..you`ll see alot of difference..also the gameplay is slower which makes the game more realistic in my opinion. Me being born in Europe watching 10 football games every day feeling that "european football" it`s just amazing. When I play WE7 I get that control of players and it`s like watching a live football match. In PES3 players look small on the pitch - smaller than the ones in WE7, the ball is smaller - and much much lighter..it`s like you`re playing with a small beach ball. Believe me bro, I was the one who thought PES3 was better but then I played WE7 and each match showed me how good and better WE7 was than PES3. Also you get 2 balls to play with, more boots and easy to patch. WE7:I will be better than both of them, I hope. More stadiums, you can edit keepers outfits as well as stadium names, and the gameplay is polished as well. And you say WE7 has alot of bugs well my WE7 is so damn good. no bugs whatsoever, no stutter thing - nothing I guess it`s because I use one of the best modchips around (DMS3). I`m sick and tired listening to people how bad WE7 is because it has so many bugs. Well don`t be cheap first get your PS2 ready to play games and then talk. Slide Card, Knife Trick all that bullshit add bugs in certain games .. so for me WE7 is just PERFECT. And players going thru players can only happen during replays but very rarely or when you`re close to a player and he doesn`t wanna foul you. But in PES3 you get this too..so it`s a not big deal.
Winning 11
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Ok, I`ve just played a match on PES3 (AC Milan vs Celta de Vigo) me being AC Milan. Now PES3 fans don`t get mad at me (this is only my opinion) but now I know for sure that WE7 "OWNZ" PES3 in every single way. The gameplay has a good simulation to it but it`s just too damn fast. I`ve tried playing on 50Hz (black & white mode) and the speed doesn`t change at all. Even Brazilians don`t play fast as gameplay in PES3 does. WE7 offers better, slower gameplay and I can cooperate with my team better than I do in PES3. Ball is heavier which is a good point, and Milosh said something about keepers being unrealistic with they way they save..damn I wish I had a digi cam so I can show you the goal I scored with Schevchenko..long goal I believe something like 25 to 30 meters.. I just hope WE7:I comes to be better than WE7.
Milosh said:
I played on both modes and still WE7 has slower gameplay than PES3
Milosh said:
I´m annoyed with hand balls in PES3. There are to much hand balls in PES and most of the time it´s an advantage for the computer player
Milosh said:
Sorry mate, but it never happened to me or to anyone I know, it´s the first time I hear about this in WE7, but we had such problems on our German forums with PES-PC.
Milosh said:
This one makes me laugh
Look around mate, you´re the first one who says that PES keepers are better and more realistic. I think WE7 keepers are very good, but they also make mistakes. When I play PES the keepers, even Buffon or Kahn, are making mistakes on every second cross Milosh said:
I play on a normal, big Philips TV, and the graphics are the same. No stutters or anything, neither on WE7 nor on PES.
Milosh said:
Yes
Milosh said:
Happened to me in PES, happened to me in WE. I don´t know which game has more graphic bugs
Milosh said:
Yes, definately, I like both, WE7 and PES3.
SilvesterWong
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then i think u wouldn't have much enjoy watching a real football game (at least on TV)...Spike said:
unless u like snails
WE7's speed is just perfect to me.
Commentary is much better. <- well this is very biased as I don't know Japanese that much. So it seems to me it's not repeating the same phrase too often.
Gotta say I totally agree with this post.
I went back to WE7 a couple of weeks back and it was a breath of fresh air. Everything about it is better.
Can't be bothered to go in to great detail of why I think WE7 is better cause I have done it a few times at pesfan, but basically it is... the shooting, the way the ball moves and bounces, the dribbling, passing.. everything.
I went back to WE7 a couple of weeks back and it was a breath of fresh air. Everything about it is better.
Can't be bothered to go in to great detail of why I think WE7 is better cause I have done it a few times at pesfan, but basically it is... the shooting, the way the ball moves and bounces, the dribbling, passing.. everything.
Winning 11
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Lukazan, I sent you a reply to your PM.
Milosh
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Ok, larsson, thanks for that, but just one more thing.
Since all of you play on the chipped PS2s, now I know that from the fact, this is why you have speed issues.
NTSC signal on PAL systems will play about 10% faster than on NTSC systems, that;s why PES3 50Hz on PAL PS2 and PAL TV set is slower than 60Hz NTSC. If you are using chipped PS2, it means that even though you have PAL PS2 and use PAL TV, mod chip transfers the signal into NTSC, and your 50 and 60HZ modes are the same.
On the other hand, people with NTSC PS2 and NTSC TV sets get also the same speed of the game since NTSC byitself is faster than PAL. YOU CANNOT get 625 lines on NTSC TV and you CANNOT get 30frames per second on PAL TV like NTSC has.
That resluts that even 50Hz mode is the same speed as 60Hz.
So all in all, if you play PES3 on UNCHIPPED PAL PS2, you'll see the difference in speed, also if you play WE7 on UNCHIPPED PS2, you'll get the real speed.
PAL - better picture quality, slower gameplay
NTSC - faster game play around 10% and not as crispy picture, but better refresh rate.
On my friends JApanese NTSC PS2 and NTSC TV WE7 and PES3 on my PAL PS2 (50Hz) and PAL TV have the same speed.
(both not chipped)
This is MY JOB, I test hardware, ALL SYSTEMS, DVD players, computers, game consoles, etc... These are FACTS. No matter what Mod chip you use, or whatsoever.
Both games are fluid like hell and have minor graphic issues.
I play mine on 60Hz since I like faster gameplay.
To me, it's just matter of preference.
One thing for the end,
I DIDN'T PAY 100 AUD FOR THE GAME I HAVE TO BLOODY MODIFY AND PATCH, IF THEY (KONAMI) CANNOT MAKE IT RIGHT, SCREW THEM.
Since all of you play on the chipped PS2s, now I know that from the fact, this is why you have speed issues.
NTSC signal on PAL systems will play about 10% faster than on NTSC systems, that;s why PES3 50Hz on PAL PS2 and PAL TV set is slower than 60Hz NTSC. If you are using chipped PS2, it means that even though you have PAL PS2 and use PAL TV, mod chip transfers the signal into NTSC, and your 50 and 60HZ modes are the same.
On the other hand, people with NTSC PS2 and NTSC TV sets get also the same speed of the game since NTSC byitself is faster than PAL. YOU CANNOT get 625 lines on NTSC TV and you CANNOT get 30frames per second on PAL TV like NTSC has.
That resluts that even 50Hz mode is the same speed as 60Hz.
So all in all, if you play PES3 on UNCHIPPED PAL PS2, you'll see the difference in speed, also if you play WE7 on UNCHIPPED PS2, you'll get the real speed.
PAL - better picture quality, slower gameplay
NTSC - faster game play around 10% and not as crispy picture, but better refresh rate.
On my friends JApanese NTSC PS2 and NTSC TV WE7 and PES3 on my PAL PS2 (50Hz) and PAL TV have the same speed.
(both not chipped)
This is MY JOB, I test hardware, ALL SYSTEMS, DVD players, computers, game consoles, etc... These are FACTS. No matter what Mod chip you use, or whatsoever.
Both games are fluid like hell and have minor graphic issues.
I play mine on 60Hz since I like faster gameplay.
To me, it's just matter of preference.
One thing for the end,
I DIDN'T PAY 100 AUD FOR THE GAME I HAVE TO BLOODY MODIFY AND PATCH, IF THEY (KONAMI) CANNOT MAKE IT RIGHT, SCREW THEM.
That´s nice to have an expert in hardware things here, Milosh, maybe you can help out in the PC forums with the slowdown. I played WE and PES on my normal size Philips TV and to me PES is faster, no matter whether on 50 or 60 Hz mode, and that´s the important thing, how it feels personally for you, like you said: It´s an individual thing
To be honest I didn´t recognize any difference in graphics, but you say PAL must be a little bit better graphically. Strange
I don´t have a very big knowledge when it comes to PAL-NTSC differnces
btw must agree with your last sentence
To be honest I didn´t recognize any difference in graphics, but you say PAL must be a little bit better graphically. Strange
I don´t have a very big knowledge when it comes to PAL-NTSC differnces
btw must agree with your last sentence
Winning 11
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Milosh, not to be a dick or anything but bro, you have no idea on what you`re talking about. Saying that PAL is better than NTSC is just WRONG. You say you`re a software expert or whatever you are then you should know that Japan is the best country when it comes to technology and they use NTSC as well. This is proven millions of times. NTSC tv`s work better than PAL ones, they last longer and are more stable than any PAL tv. Modchips don`t have anything to do with the gameplay speed. They are created so you can play imported games, and to give you an extra help. PES3 is faster than WE7 and this was already confirmed by people who have both chipped and regular PAL PS2 console.
stevieboy
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All i'm saying is that if NTSC is so great, why is it, that on the rare chance I have to go to the US, any sport that involves a fast moving small object ie Golf, seems a heck of a lot more stilted, ie dodgy frame rate and "judder" effect, than if I am watching in Blighty on poor old PAL. Does this translate to Vid Games also?? (I should point-out I'm no techspert)!!
Winning 11
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I must be really tired..