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Fifa 09 vs Pro Evo 2009

Do think, "BE HONEST", Fifa can out do Pes again?


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Just a note to everyone, the analogue stick can move in 360 degrees, yet the game does not actually register 360 degree motion. Therefore the analogue actually gives you no further control over your player, use whichever feels more comfortable, though to suggest the analogue stick is any better is a little foolish. The vast majority of the best players (tournament players), and Seabass himself, apparently use the D-Pad which would give weight to the opposing argument.

Lastly there is no D-Pad on the 360 controller, what Microsoft has labelled as a D-Pad is a broken low-profile analogue stick... it's dire.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Why not? I remember sending off game designs about ten years ago. Got a week long stint at Psygnosis (the original creators of Wipeout) in Liverpool, but failed to get through. They had us designing levels using the original Quake level design technology. BTW I can't program. I'd need someone to do that!

My idea for a football game would have some major differences from Pro Evo and FIFA. For one, forget about image rights/sponsorship. Aint happening. Too expensive. Would have to start as simply the blue versus the red team (or green, yellow purple).

Dynamics wise though this is what I want to see. I want to see fluid body motion. I want to see players building up significant speed (a la Ronaldo), but then the control of the player would be severly hampered. For example, Ronaldo could make sharp turns and shimmies at slight angles at top speed, but wouldnt be able to stop immeadiately. Therefore, you would have a trade off. Lets say your defender is pegging it after a striker, the striker simply side steps, and the defender cannot stop his run, and ends up over running. PES does have these concepts in a very basic form, but not in a very realistic way. I want to see the players I'm controlling almost running on ice (not that extreme, but you get the point). A skilled player would be able to run at top speed at an opponent, and then use momentum to dodge/fly by the defender. A player with lesser skill would either run into the defender, or end up mis controlling the player/ball.

I want to re-create the whole body dynamics of football. Imagine playing a footie game and doing the Pele body swerve of the 1970 Mexico World Cup. How cool would that be? (only this time, you'd score from it).

Well, designing a Football game would be a dream for me.. would love to do it, but unfortunately I don't know the first thing about programing, etc, etc..

However, I am 100% certain that PES can be much better, and that Konami takes it SLOW on purpose.

And again, I don't know much about programing or anything that regards that -but- I think Konami and EA Sports should have someone (or a couple of people) who works as the Director of the game, or the Architect of the game.

You know, because probably many of the Teams who work on games such as FIFA and PES aren't the most experienced people Football-Wise. There are people that might NOT know how to deal with a computer, but regardless of that have an outstanding Football knowledge.

And then again, maybe there is someone who does that Job, maybe Seabass does that job. But regardless, I think that having one or a couple of Football experts would facilitate the job of Konami. Just having someone to play the game, analize the game -and- say what needs to be done. In other words, something similar to the relationship between an Engineer and an Architect.

The Engineers are the ones who really do the work -and- the Architect does the design and gives the direction. Again, maybe Konami and EA Sports have someone who does something similar. But having even more help and ideas from Football Experts can only help.

And by Football Experts I mean people who have actually taken the time to watch Football in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, all the way to the Modern Era. Football Fans who have a clear IDEA of how Football has changed through the years -and- of how great players are supposed to play, and of what great football really is.

In short, Football fans who really understand Football. Football fans who acknowledge that Football is team game -and- that the best TEAMS aren't always made by the best INDIVIDUALS. And that in order to produce a proper Football game you MUST establish Fundamental Differences between Different Players and Different Positions.

That is the knowledge that seems to be missing in current Football simulation games -something- that can be evidenced by simply playing the games and experiencing all the flaws; Average players making incredible runs and dribbles, a limited set of Stats and Special Abilities that cannot establish Important differences between players like Ballack and Riquelme, skillful players CONSISTENTLY giving the ball away cheaply, etc, etc..

But anyways, you mentioned the "Dinamics and body motions" -and- I also think that is something that must be addressed soon -Because- by playing the game you can see that really skillful players such as Messi, Robinho, and Cristiano Ronaldo kind of give the ball away easily.. I usually win the ball by simply running in front of the attackers, because they ALWAYS touch the ball too far -and- that is how I always win the ball so easily.

We should work harder in order to win the ball back because gifted players such as Leo Messi rarely give the ball away like that. That is, that Defenders should steal the ball -NOT- the other way around; attackers practically giving the ball away to the defenders.

I think skillful players should be harder to defend -while- at the same time, Defenders should be better equipped to deal with such skillful players. Meaning that Defensive Play should also have more depth and substance to it.

So I think skillful players should have even better movements and changes of speed to make them harder to defend -while- world class Defenders should have better tackling, marking, responsiveness, and positioning in order to defend against the most gifted players.

There must be a balance between Attackers and Defenders -as- a game that discourages defending and makes attacking EASY -will- always be boring and mediocre.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Just a note to everyone, the analogue stick can move in 360 degrees, yet the game does not actually register 360 degree motion. Therefore the analogue actually gives you no further control over your player, use whichever feels more comfortable, though to suggest the analogue stick is any better is a little foolish. The vast majority of the best players (tournament players), and Seabass himself, apparently use the D-Pad which would give weight to the opposing argument.

Lastly there is no D-Pad on the 360 controller, what Microsoft has labelled as a D-Pad is a broken low-profile analogue stick... it's dire.

Even if there is no difference, the analog stick still haves some positive things to it. For one thing, I can play 2 to 4 hours with the stick and my fingers don't get any blisters.

And apart from that, I just got used to the Analog Stick.

By the way, why so much argument about the D-pad and the R3 button?? We can use BOTH.
 

Hunter

BELIEVE
Just a note to everyone, the analogue stick can move in 360 degrees, yet the game does not actually register 360 degree motion. Therefore the analogue actually gives you no further control over your player, use whichever feels more comfortable, though to suggest the analogue stick is any better is a little foolish. The vast majority of the best players (tournament players), and Seabass himself, apparently use the D-Pad which would give weight to the opposing argument.

Lastly there is no D-Pad on the 360 controller, what Microsoft has labelled as a D-Pad is a broken low-profile analogue stick... it's dire.

Surel you can't use the D-Pad for manual control passes, therefore the analog stick gives you further control. I now play PES on the Xbox 360, and as you say the D-Pad for the 360 controllers is simply broken and absolutely terrible, leaving the player no alternative but to use the analog sticks. The analog stick is definetely a more comfortable tool though, plus it feels a lot smoother to move etc, as it should do.
 

shaun7

Registered User
Well still in Pes 2008 the analogue is not good enough. The player movement wasn't that good. Also if you for example press left and then up (in 90 degrees motion) the player side steps the opponent and if you do it right you'll pass the defender. Now how could you do that with the stick? I find it pretty hard. I would like to train with the stick because your fingers hurt when you play with the D pad.
 

S-D-P

Registered User
The stand out thing for me with next gen pes is that even if you play a great pass if feels like the computer has done it for you which goes against what pes is all about. This is a crucial year for both of these games and i am confident pes will prevail although some serious work needs to be done. I fifa is to match pes than the resposiveness of players need to improve. The strange things is no matter how good fifa does get i will always want to play pro, apart from this years version that was terrible and makes me go back to ps2
 

cescf4bregas

Registered User
NEVER!...i even put up with this glitched version which we call PES2008 on PS3 rather than going to FIFA 08...i hope konami appreciate us fans and bring Pro Evo back to it's prime once again
 

shaun7

Registered User
Who ever says Fifa has better graphics is just a fifa fan and vice versa. They're both good at certain points but from a distant camera Pro has always looked better. But for this we'll have to wait until the next realease to fully decide.
 

Amateur

Registered User
just read on another site fifa 09 only has 4 seasons in career mode!!! 1-0 to pes already

http://playstationuniverse.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fifa-09-career-mode-to-be-4-seasons-long/

Yeah but you forgot to mention that FIFA's 4 year career mode WILL include the FIFA World Cup and UEFA Euro Cup.

playstationuniverse - "Continuing our Fifa 09 blowout day, EA have confirmed to us that the Career Mode in the PS3 version will be 4 seasons long and will have a few special new features."

"You will now be able to choose a international team and guide them to World Cup and Euro glory, also this will considerably shorten career mode as there will not be as many matches to play."

I think that's actually a 1-0 against PES -and- if PES doesn't includes the UEFA Champions League into the Master League -then- it will feel like a 2-0 in FIFA's favor.

We'll see.. it seems PES acquired the License for the UEFA Champions League -while- on the other hand, FIFA haves the License for the FIFA World Cup and UEFA Euro. Surprising?? Not at the very least.. FIFA always succeeds in including more Licenses.

However, the important thing will always be the gameplay. So let's see who haves the better gameplay -whom- by the way I expect to be Konami's PES.
 

seantkd

Registered User
c'mon though 4 YEARS. by the time you are starting to get a name for yourself as a manager and sign better players it's time up. i buy both pes and fifa each year and this happened in fifa a few years ago when your career only lasted 5 years and it ruined it for me. i decided to go yeovil town and by the time i reached the top division my career was up. hopefully the 4 years is be a pro mode only if they are including international competitions.
 

shaun7

Registered User
^Well yeah no matter what they iclude in it, 4 years will simply destroy it.
@Amateur You're right also but 4 seasons are very limited.
 

Amateur

Registered User
^Well yeah no matter what they iclude in it, 4 years will simply destroy it.
@Amateur You're right also but 4 seasons are very limited.

I agree.. 4 Seasons is just too short -even- if it haves the World Cup and Euro Cup.

But still, Konami should include the UEFA Champions League in the Master League -otherwise- the License will be poorly used.
 

gaposto

Registered User
Fifa was by no means better than PES 2008 but UEFA Euro was really close and even manage to beat the problematic PES 2008 effort in some cases. The thing is that for us, players and not fan-boys, it's irrelevant who wins but it's very rellevant who will deliver the closest football simulation with the best playability and options. Yes I know, its...Pro Evo FIFA 2012 but, since that's impossible I suppose we will have to let Konami and EA prove themselves to us and not we, to prove our loyalty to one or another multinational software firm. That is if we don't own EA or Konami or have personal reasons to favor one or another. Let them continue their contest guys! So far it proves constructive since FIFA's are marginally improved and I really hope Seabass and Konami learned their bitter lesson from the disastrous(in my opinion) PES 2008...
 

symiester

New Member
Quit your jibba jabba crazy fool!

What do you mean again, when has the mockery, of a shame that is called Fifa ever out done Pes ????
 

Miggy

Mr Lover Man
As Roy Walker would say "It's good, but it's not right."

That's my general feeling of FIFA.

I'm willing to bet that'll be my feeling with FIFA '09.
 
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