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TIGERS_FAN

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Gaffa08 said:
Don't you have to be mature to have that coaching certificate??? Coaching kids an all... You like making things up, and saying stuff like... "FIFA like to employ real football people", now I know you chat out of your ass, you know fuck all about football.

As someone has said before, why are you on these forums? You clearly have no reason to be here, go back to your FIFA forums and convince your own people that FIFA is the game this year, not us!

You must be really sad and pathetic to keep coming on these forums, writing about crap. You too must be completely crap at PES, therefore venting your frustrations at us. Go home, learn how to play PES, then, if you still don't like it and find it too hard, go play happy families on the FIFA forums.
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this thread is for people to voice there opinion on why they dont like this years version and why so..................
 
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and to be mature to get a coaching certificate! come on most of the lads at the college i went too did coaching certificates and they were 16-18 years old!
 
byondthought

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Mr Darkstar said:
ok so now im confused, what you are saying is PES is the better game? AS you stated "the gameplay of pes"

and as i and i assume most people like me buy a football game for gameplay, pes = better game? correct me if im wrong?
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OK simple minds as said..let me explain...each game be it football or golf is not perfect, they ALL have flaws (but i guess for you guys PES2009 is just blindly perfect) when playing a game our brains weigh up all the positive factors against the negative factors if its a good game all the positive out weighs the negative and we enjoy playing it..games always start with base value as they are games and not real life, so we make allowances for that in the name of fun..all reality based games have the same goal to be as true to life a possible with one common goal, that is i imagine only in the future will be true ie: being able to control the same thing as you see on tv..

now as the pes gameplay has allways been better than fifa im sure that EA have been looking very close at Pes (and the other way for other things) so.. fifa game play has been getting closer and closer to pes year after year with 09 being their best attempt..now cus the only real changes pes has made have either been negative or actualy come from fifa anyway, the gap has closed by alot... hense the equation

ok overall game is worth 175 brain fun points-

PES gamplay peeked with pes5, with a value of about 135. -15 for it being old and -15 for all the new shit that goes wrong. ( as stated before)

Now fifa gameplay has peeked in 09, has a value of about 100 -15 for all shit that goes wrong, but +15 for the new things (ps3 things) they have added (things from pes too)

so gameplay wise its closer this year than any other year and the fact that fifa has better graphics, more motions recieving,dribling and kicking the ball, it offers a more realalistic representation of the modern game...not by much but just enough..

No i am not a fifa 'fanboy' (bla bla) i am a football fan that has played watched and been involed in football since i could walk.it is with out doubt a passion..i have played every konami football games since hyper soccer, i have been to asia and played alot of winning eleven and have never given fifa more than a few games..

goals dont feel earned anymore... and yes true can be said for fifa but not as much..
 
byondthought

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Mr Darkstar said:
Errrrm you will have to ask seabass, here is his number...


...picks up phone...

...goes to s in phone book....

.....


....

Ahh shit must have deleted it, but next time he calls i willl ask him as allthough i love the game i didnt have a hand in creating it im afraid.
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i dont think you understood the Question did you??
 
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hazey5786

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byondthought said:
OK simple minds as said..let me explain...each game be it football or golf is not perfect, they ALL have flaws (but i guess for you guys PES2009 is just blindly perfect) when playing a game our brains weigh up all the positive factors against the negative factors if its a good game all the positive out weighs the negative and we enjoy playing it..games always start with base value as they are games and not real life, so we make allowances for that in the name of fun..all reality based games have the same goal to be as true to life a possible with one common goal, that is i imagine only in the future will be true ie: being able to control the same thing as you see on tv..

now as the pes gameplay has allways been better than fifa im sure that EA have been looking very close at Pes (and the other way for other things) so.. fifa game play has been getting closer and closer to pes year after year with 09 being their best attempt..now cus the only real changes pes has made have either been negative or actualy come from fifa anyway, the gap has closed by alot... hense the equation

ok overall game is worth 175 brain fun points-

PES gamplay peeked with pes5, with a value of about 135. -15 for it being old and -15 for all the new shit that goes wrong. ( as stated before)

Now fifa gameplay has peeked in 09, has a value of about 100 -15 for all shit that goes wrong, but +15 for the new things (ps3 things) they have added (things from pes too)

so gameplay wise its closer this year than any other year and the fact that fifa has better graphics, more motions recieving,dribling and kicking the ball, it offers a more realalistic representation of the modern game...not by much but just enough..

No i am not a fifa 'fanboy' (bla bla) i am a football fan that has played watched and been involed in football since i could walk.it is with out doubt a passion..i have played every konami football games since hyper soccer, i have been to asia and played alot of winning eleven and have never given fifa more than a few games..

goals dont feel earned anymore... and yes true can be said for fifa but not as much..
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your in the same boat as me i'm afraid pal :(
 
unclefredo

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byondthought said:
LOL you make me laugh..if you are jealous of me being a level 3 coach, just say that, oh you did but in a different way..!! (it was hard to pass) oh and pro 5 a side is not semi-pro...

i did not say couldnt defend against 'wing runners' (you know what i mean right) as it is still part of playing..i said it was boring boring football cus thats all you do..!!!

Jesus, as someone pointed out before its idiots like you that have let knoami get away with it for 2 years... the fact that your not even in the country with your ps3 means your not even playing pes2009/not played it very much..!!!

the fact is pes09 is ok at best.. the fact that it ##plays the same on ps2 but with reduced graphics says it all..!!## fifa is good not great.. the fact that EA spend more money developing it and employing real football people to develop it.. means they have edged in front for ps3 09 versons..!! i dont doubt that knoami can get back on top, i just think they were a little slow off the blocks for ps3. the fact that they have less than a year to develop the game each year means its a sprint with EA, but EA can a afford better equipment..just look how long gran torismo spend developing a game...

oh and just cus we are saying negative things about pes does not mean
we are 'fifa fanboys' (blind fool) if anything we are die hard pes 'fanboys' who are tryin to prove a real point..'ITs NOT GOOD ENOUGH' try harder, develop longer dont just race to our pockets...!!!!!!!
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Ah, the village let their idiot loose again! Honestly, I couldn't care about your level 3 coaching achievement you bought off ebay but I hope you didn't pay too much mate. I don't think you can play semi-pro 5-a-side but unfortunately it was 11-a-side.

You obviously have a fairly limited IQ, given that you're suggesting that our defence of Pro Evo is some deep seeded pyschoalacy (was it?) reasoning. Nice one mate. If you're going to sound educated, at least spell things right. I think it's English for Beginners 101 for you.

I'm not discrediting FIFA at all. This is PES gaming forum, and as such I genuinely have no interest in FIFA because at the end of the day, for me, it doesn't play as well. I also confess that although I am out of the country, visting my girlfriend (that's not your mum) in year abroad programme, that I actually have a life outside playing my PS3. I did however play the demo to death, so I could make an informed decision of what to buy. I thought FIFA was ok, but I don't like the way it handles, I never have. I don't care if you're a fanboy of any kind, I buy PES because I like it better than FIFA. I'm not letting them get away with anything. They put out a product, and I can tell you I'm not compelled to buy it and keep it. I wish Konami had waited another 6-8 months and release PES2009 but they probably haven't been able to because they are beginning to release that EA are pushing them into a franchise type situation.

This is my opinion of the difference between EA and Konami. EA, only care about making the product look appealing to the masses. You only have to look at the titles they bring out and the gimmicks they use to make the public more likely to buy it. If FIFA had no license, they would be screwed. It's as simple as that. They built upon have the most promising footballers each year on their artwork because people identify with Rooney, Ronaldinho instantly. If you want to talk about the other 6 or 7 sports titles they release every year without fail, you surely have to release their biggest selling point is the licensing. The adidas Live feature is genius. For stattos, it's like a wet dream, and they only have to pay for all the functionality. It's more cash in EA's pocket. That is EA's market and they do it well because chumps will buy their product and believe in it. How, for instance, can you defend the Euro2008 title? It was awful, yet they still sold it RRP. That's taking advantage of people I'm afraid. Its intrinsic in our nature to have the newest release of everything and EA knows that a large demographic will consider purchasing.

Konami are different, and I hope they're not going all EA on us. Konami have never been a huge company but they have produced truly groundbreaking titles. MGS is the obvious example. That games, was an still is amazing. The ISS titles were also groundbreaking at the time, despite their limited popularity. It's a sad fact that Seabass and co are probably being pushed by management to release on par with FIFA because it's too rushed, and the one thing you're right about is EA have more money (buying equipment? what?). However, FIFA's gameplay hasn't changed at all. It's always been a revision of previous release. They've been clever this year, but FIFA is still not a good game. It's a good package. I'm sad PES isn't as good as it should be this year, but I understand why. If PES continues to get a yearly release it will not ever be next gen, and FIFA certainly will never because EA are all about churning out 10-15 titles of gash every year. I think the last genuine good game they made was Populous (I think it was EA).

Simply put, I'd rather buy a title from a company that strives to make great games, than one who strives to get as much money out of their product as possible. That is the core of the PES gaming community. If EA ever got the PES franchise, I would stop buying it because I have no faith in them. I agree that PES hasn't been as good last year, and to be fair, ISS on the PS2 was poor also, but at least they haven't been ripping people off with substandard pish for the past 13 years or so. Until I see a conscious effort by EA not to rip us off, I doubt I'll buy one of their titles. I'll tell you the route I'd like Pro Evo to take, and it's an open source framework. The title itself would be free, but licensing etc would come at a cost, to cover overheads. PESgaming could then become the pioneers in contributing to the game. It's never gonna happen though.

Also, just to let you know. Just because you say FACT, doesn't make it one. Your opinion is a fact because you own it. The judgment made is subjective, hence that's what an opinion.
 
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unclefredo said:
Ah, the village let their idiot loose again! Honestly, I couldn't care about your level 3 coaching achievement you bought off ebay but I hope you didn't pay too much mate. I don't think you can play semi-pro 5-a-side but unfortunately it was 11-a-side.

You obviously have a fairly limited IQ, given that you're suggesting that our defence of Pro Evo is some deep seeded pyschoalacy (was it?) reasoning. Nice one mate. If you're going to sound educated, at least spell things right. I think it's English for Beginners 101 for you.

I'm not discrediting FIFA at all. This is PES gaming forum, and as such I genuinely have no interest in FIFA because at the end of the day, for me, it doesn't play as well. I also confess that although I am out of the country, visting my girlfriend (that's not your mum) in year abroad programme, that I actually have a life outside playing my PS3. I did however play the demo to death, so I could make an informed decision of what to buy. I thought FIFA was ok, but I don't like the way it handles, I never have. I don't care if you're a fanboy of any kind, I buy PES because I like it better than FIFA. I'm not letting them get away with anything. They put out a product, and I can tell you I'm not compelled to buy it and keep it. I wish Konami had waited another 6-8 months and release PES2009 but they probably haven't been able to because they are beginning to release that EA are pushing them into a franchise type situation.

This is my opinion of the difference between EA and Konami. EA, only care about making the product look appealing to the masses. You only have to look at the titles they bring out and the gimmicks they use to make the public more likely to buy it. If FIFA had no license, they would be screwed. It's as simple as that. They built upon have the most promising footballers each year on their artwork because people identify with Rooney, Ronaldinho instantly. If you want to talk about the other 6 or 7 sports titles they release every year without fail, you surely have to release their biggest selling point is the licensing. The adidas Live feature is genius. For stattos, it's like a wet dream, and they only have to pay for all the functionality. It's more cash in EA's pocket. That is EA's market and they do it well because chumps will buy their product and believe in it. How, for instance, can you defend the Euro2008 title? It was awful, yet they still sold it RRP. That's taking advantage of people I'm afraid. Its intrinsic in our nature to have the newest release of everything and EA knows that a large demographic will consider purchasing.

Konami are different, and I hope they're not going all EA on us. Konami have never been a huge company but they have produced truly groundbreaking titles. MGS is the obvious example. That games, was an still is amazing. The ISS titles were also groundbreaking at the time, despite their limited popularity. It's a sad fact that Seabass and co are probably being pushed by management to release on par with FIFA because it's too rushed, and the one thing you're right about is EA have more money (buying equipment? what?). However, FIFA's gameplay hasn't changed at all. It's always been a revision of previous release. They've been clever this year, but FIFA is still not a good game. It's a good package. I'm sad PES isn't as good as it should be this year, but I understand why. If PES continues to get a yearly release it will not ever be next gen, and FIFA certainly will never because EA are all about churning out 10-15 titles of gash every year. I think the last genuine good game they made was Populous (I think it was EA).

Simply put, I'd rather buy a title from a company that strives to make great games, than one who strives to get as much money out of their product as possible. That is the core of the PES gaming community. If EA ever got the PES franchise, I would stop buying it because I have no faith in them. I agree that PES hasn't been as good last year, and to be fair, ISS on the PS2 was poor also, but at least they haven't been ripping people off with substandard pish for the past 13 years or so. Until I see a conscious effort by EA not to rip us off, I doubt I'll buy one of their titles. I'll tell you the route I'd like Pro Evo to take, and it's an open source framework. The title itself would be free, but licensing etc would come at a cost, to cover overheads. PESgaming could then become the pioneers in contributing to the game. It's never gonna happen though.

Also, just to let you know. Just because you say FACT, doesn't make it one. Your opinion is a fact because you own it. The judgment made is subjective, hence that's what an opinion.
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OMG im the idiot..!!! you didnt even understand what i said...
 
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I wish Konami had waited another 6-8 months and release PES2009 but they probably haven't been able to because they are beginning to release that EA are pushing them into a franchise type situation.


why do you wish that unclefredo???????????
 
Gaffa08

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TIGERS_FAN said:
this thread is for people to voice there opinion on why they dont like this years version and why so..................
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I understand that, feel free to discuss PES good or bad, but having the need to bring FIFA into the equation misses the point. Comparing the games ain't going to do nothing. They are different games, you either like one or the other, or maybe you like both... Crying because PES doesn't play well for you, and you only. That's your choice.

What makes me laugh the most is the amount of problems FIFA09 has, and how long has it been out???? ANSWER ME THAT! FIFA no doubt has more bugs than PES, yet it was released a few days earlier than PES, have you got any patches/updates? No... You still have negative posts clogging the EA forums up. 100 times more topics than you have on these forums about the issues with PES.

How long has PES09 been out???? ANSWER ME THAT! The game has only just been released, Jesus Christ! No game is perfect, they all have bugs.

TIGERS_FAN said:
and to be mature to get a coaching certificate! come on most of the lads at the college i went too did coaching certificates and they were 16-18 years old!
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So your telling me you don't have to be mature to coach kids? Who are they suppose to look up too if you can't act as a responsible adult? I covered for a friend taking an after school coaching session, and its manic. I'd never do it again... Its not for me.
 
byondthought

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unclefredo said:
Ah, the village let their idiot loose again! Honestly, I couldn't care about your level 3 coaching achievement you bought off ebay but I hope you didn't pay too much mate. I don't think you can play semi-pro 5-a-side but unfortunately it was 11-a-side.

You obviously have a fairly limited IQ, given that you're suggesting that our defence of Pro Evo is some deep seeded pyschoalacy (was it?) reasoning. Nice one mate. If you're going to sound educated, at least spell things right. I think it's English for Beginners 101 for you.

I'm not discrediting FIFA at all. This is PES gaming forum, and as such I genuinely have no interest in FIFA because at the end of the day, for me, it doesn't play as well. I also confess that although I am out of the country, visting my girlfriend (that's not your mum) in year abroad programme, that I actually have a life outside playing my PS3. I did however play the demo to death, so I could make an informed decision of what to buy. I thought FIFA was ok, but I don't like the way it handles, I never have. I don't care if you're a fanboy of any kind, I buy PES because I like it better than FIFA. I'm not letting them get away with anything. They put out a product, and I can tell you I'm not compelled to buy it and keep it. I wish Konami had waited another 6-8 months and release PES2009 but they probably haven't been able to because they are beginning to release that EA are pushing them into a franchise type situation.

This is my opinion of the difference between EA and Konami. EA, only care about making the product look appealing to the masses. You only have to look at the titles they bring out and the gimmicks they use to make the public more likely to buy it. If FIFA had no license, they would be screwed. It's as simple as that. They built upon have the most promising footballers each year on their artwork because people identify with Rooney, Ronaldinho instantly. If you want to talk about the other 6 or 7 sports titles they release every year without fail, you surely have to release their biggest selling point is the licensing. The adidas Live feature is genius. For stattos, it's like a wet dream, and they only have to pay for all the functionality. It's more cash in EA's pocket. That is EA's market and they do it well because chumps will buy their product and believe in it. How, for instance, can you defend the Euro2008 title? It was awful, yet they still sold it RRP. That's taking advantage of people I'm afraid. Its intrinsic in our nature to have the newest release of everything and EA knows that a large demographic will consider purchasing.

Konami are different, and I hope they're not going all EA on us. Konami have never been a huge company but they have produced truly groundbreaking titles. MGS is the obvious example. That games, was an still is amazing. The ISS titles were also groundbreaking at the time, despite their limited popularity. It's a sad fact that Seabass and co are probably being pushed by management to release on par with FIFA because it's too rushed, and the one thing you're right about is EA have more money (buying equipment? what?). However, FIFA's gameplay hasn't changed at all. It's always been a revision of previous release. They've been clever this year, but FIFA is still not a good game. It's a good package. I'm sad PES isn't as good as it should be this year, but I understand why. If PES continues to get a yearly release it will not ever be next gen, and FIFA certainly will never because EA are all about churning out 10-15 titles of gash every year. I think the last genuine good game they made was Populous (I think it was EA).

Simply put, I'd rather buy a title from a company that strives to make great games, than one who strives to get as much money out of their product as possible. That is the core of the PES gaming community. If EA ever got the PES franchise, I would stop buying it because I have no faith in them. I agree that PES hasn't been as good last year, and to be fair, ISS on the PS2 was poor also, but at least they haven't been ripping people off with substandard pish for the past 13 years or so. Until I see a conscious effort by EA not to rip us off, I doubt I'll buy one of their titles. I'll tell you the route I'd like Pro Evo to take, and it's an open source framework. The title itself would be free, but licensing etc would come at a cost, to cover overheads. PESgaming could then become the pioneers in contributing to the game. It's never gonna happen though.

Also, just to let you know. Just because you say FACT, doesn't make it one. Your opinion is a fact because you own it. The judgment made is subjective, hence that's what an opinion.
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In philosophy, the concept fact is considered in epistemology and ontology. Questions of objectivity and truth are closely associated with questions of fact. A "fact" can be defined as something which is the case, that is, the state of affairs reported by a true proposition
 
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unclefredo said:
Ah, the village let their idiot loose again! Honestly, I couldn't care about your level 3 coaching achievement you bought off ebay but I hope you didn't pay too much mate. I don't think you can play semi-pro 5-a-side but unfortunately it was 11-a-side.

You obviously have a fairly limited IQ, given that you're suggesting that our defence of Pro Evo is some deep seeded pyschoalacy (was it?) reasoning. Nice one mate. If you're going to sound educated, at least spell things right. I think it's English for Beginners 101 for you.

I'm not discrediting FIFA at all. This is PES gaming forum, and as such I genuinely have no interest in FIFA because at the end of the day, for me, it doesn't play as well. I also confess that although I am out of the country, visting my girlfriend (that's not your mum) in year abroad programme, that I actually have a life outside playing my PS3. I did however play the demo to death, so I could make an informed decision of what to buy. I thought FIFA was ok, but I don't like the way it handles, I never have. I don't care if you're a fanboy of any kind, I buy PES because I like it better than FIFA. I'm not letting them get away with anything. They put out a product, and I can tell you I'm not compelled to buy it and keep it. I wish Konami had waited another 6-8 months and release PES2009 but they probably haven't been able to because they are beginning to release that EA are pushing them into a franchise type situation.

This is my opinion of the difference between EA and Konami. EA, only care about making the product look appealing to the masses. You only have to look at the titles they bring out and the gimmicks they use to make the public more likely to buy it. If FIFA had no license, they would be screwed. It's as simple as that. They built upon have the most promising footballers each year on their artwork because people identify with Rooney, Ronaldinho instantly. If you want to talk about the other 6 or 7 sports titles they release every year without fail, you surely have to release their biggest selling point is the licensing. The adidas Live feature is genius. For stattos, it's like a wet dream, and they only have to pay for all the functionality. It's more cash in EA's pocket. That is EA's market and they do it well because chumps will buy their product and believe in it. How, for instance, can you defend the Euro2008 title? It was awful, yet they still sold it RRP. That's taking advantage of people I'm afraid. Its intrinsic in our nature to have the newest release of everything and EA knows that a large demographic will consider purchasing.

Konami are different, and I hope they're not going all EA on us. Konami have never been a huge company but they have produced truly groundbreaking titles. MGS is the obvious example. That games, was an still is amazing. The ISS titles were also groundbreaking at the time, despite their limited popularity. It's a sad fact that Seabass and co are probably being pushed by management to release on par with FIFA because it's too rushed, and the one thing you're right about is EA have more money (buying equipment? what?). However, FIFA's gameplay hasn't changed at all. It's always been a revision of previous release. They've been clever this year, but FIFA is still not a good game. It's a good package. I'm sad PES isn't as good as it should be this year, but I understand why. If PES continues to get a yearly release it will not ever be next gen, and FIFA certainly will never because EA are all about churning out 10-15 titles of gash every year. I think the last genuine good game they made was Populous (I think it was EA).

Simply put, I'd rather buy a title from a company that strives to make great games, than one who strives to get as much money out of their product as possible. That is the core of the PES gaming community. If EA ever got the PES franchise, I would stop buying it because I have no faith in them. I agree that PES hasn't been as good last year, and to be fair, ISS on the PS2 was poor also, but at least they haven't been ripping people off with substandard pish for the past 13 years or so. Until I see a conscious effort by EA not to rip us off, I doubt I'll buy one of their titles. I'll tell you the route I'd like Pro Evo to take, and it's an open source framework. The title itself would be free, but licensing etc would come at a cost, to cover overheads. PESgaming could then become the pioneers in contributing to the game. It's never gonna happen though.

Also, just to let you know. Just because you say FACT, doesn't make it one. Your opinion is a fact because you own it. The judgment made is subjective, hence that's what an opinion.
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look konami release a load of crappy titles each year too, ther renowned for it in the east, only we dont see them in the west cos they are not worth converting and translating, ea I AGREE also that they release aload of shite each year, but we get to see all the shit cos its a western based company

i'm not defending fifa, i'm only giving an open minded insight into your post
 
byondthought

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unclefredo said:
Ah, the village let their idiot loose again! Honestly, I couldn't care about your level 3 coaching achievement you bought off ebay but I hope you didn't pay too much mate. I don't think you can play semi-pro 5-a-side but unfortunately it was 11-a-side.

You obviously have a fairly limited IQ, given that you're suggesting that our defence of Pro Evo is some deep seeded pyschoalacy (was it?) reasoning. Nice one mate. If you're going to sound educated, at least spell things right. I think it's English for Beginners 101 for you.

I'm not discrediting FIFA at all. This is PES gaming forum, and as such I genuinely have no interest in FIFA because at the end of the day, for me, it doesn't play as well. I also confess that although I am out of the country, visting my girlfriend (that's not your mum) in year abroad programme, that I actually have a life outside playing my PS3. I did however play the demo to death, so I could make an informed decision of what to buy. I thought FIFA was ok, but I don't like the way it handles, I never have. I don't care if you're a fanboy of any kind, I buy PES because I like it better than FIFA. I'm not letting them get away with anything. They put out a product, and I can tell you I'm not compelled to buy it and keep it. I wish Konami had waited another 6-8 months and release PES2009 but they probably haven't been able to because they are beginning to release that EA are pushing them into a franchise type situation.

This is my opinion of the difference between EA and Konami. EA, only care about making the product look appealing to the masses. You only have to look at the titles they bring out and the gimmicks they use to make the public more likely to buy it. If FIFA had no license, they would be screwed. It's as simple as that. They built upon have the most promising footballers each year on their artwork because people identify with Rooney, Ronaldinho instantly. If you want to talk about the other 6 or 7 sports titles they release every year without fail, you surely have to release their biggest selling point is the licensing. The adidas Live feature is genius. For stattos, it's like a wet dream, and they only have to pay for all the functionality. It's more cash in EA's pocket. That is EA's market and they do it well because chumps will buy their product and believe in it. How, for instance, can you defend the Euro2008 title? It was awful, yet they still sold it RRP. That's taking advantage of people I'm afraid. Its intrinsic in our nature to have the newest release of everything and EA knows that a large demographic will consider purchasing.

Konami are different, and I hope they're not going all EA on us. Konami have never been a huge company but they have produced truly groundbreaking titles. MGS is the obvious example. That games, was an still is amazing. The ISS titles were also groundbreaking at the time, despite their limited popularity. It's a sad fact that Seabass and co are probably being pushed by management to release on par with FIFA because it's too rushed, and the one thing you're right about is EA have more money (buying equipment? what?). However, FIFA's gameplay hasn't changed at all. It's always been a revision of previous release. They've been clever this year, but FIFA is still not a good game. It's a good package. I'm sad PES isn't as good as it should be this year, but I understand why. If PES continues to get a yearly release it will not ever be next gen, and FIFA certainly will never because EA are all about churning out 10-15 titles of gash every year. I think the last genuine good game they made was Populous (I think it was EA).

Simply put, I'd rather buy a title from a company that strives to make great games, than one who strives to get as much money out of their product as possible. That is the core of the PES gaming community. If EA ever got the PES franchise, I would stop buying it because I have no faith in them. I agree that PES hasn't been as good last year, and to be fair, ISS on the PS2 was poor also, but at least they haven't been ripping people off with substandard pish for the past 13 years or so. Until I see a conscious effort by EA not to rip us off, I doubt I'll buy one of their titles. I'll tell you the route I'd like Pro Evo to take, and it's an open source framework. The title itself would be free, but licensing etc would come at a cost, to cover overheads. PESgaming could then become the pioneers in contributing to the game. It's never gonna happen though.

Also, just to let you know. Just because you say FACT, doesn't make it one. Your opinion is a fact because you own it. The judgment made is subjective, hence that's what an opinion.
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poor little Konami all it wants is to make the best game while the big bad wolf EA doesnt care and all it wants is money...My god man you are so naive..

Again the 'FACT' is football is the biggest game there is and each developer has the same goal..where do you get your shit from sayin that EA is just about money..have you ever met a games developer??

i can assure you thats not the case..games developers are like electronc artists.
 
byondthought

byondthought

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the real issue is we are all still waiting for a next gen football game be it fifa or pes..football is a complex game to develop, it just needs more time...!!
 
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