Letter To Konami

[jenicek68]

I was reading few other threads and feel, that talking about something and not put it on the paper afterwords is completely useless.. We can moan as much as we want, but it won´t make any result if it won´t be organisated.. Guys, cmon now.. Write your suggestions in here, i am keeping up in this post day by day.. More of us will be there, better.. Blokes in konami should be bussy right now, they dont have time to search on webs and all that. Simple suggestion got a bigger chance to be in the game.. Deeper suggestion will take longer, but at least they may come in two years..

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1. GAMEPLAY


1.1. PHYSICS (weight of players, players need to interact with each other)

1.2. MANUAL PASSING (on both analogue and triangle and x button)

1.3. BETTER MANUAL SHOOTING (shooting is still to easy to master and aimed at five year olds with consistent play)

1.4. PACE (needs to be slowed down, manual passing would allow you to do this as in real football)

1.5. REFEREES Can be used real ones or at least four of them:
1- super ref, all choices right and never makes mistakes, collina JR.
2- hard ref- calles for every little foul and gives a penalty for a small shirt pulling in the box and goes hard with cards.
3- fluid ref- lets the game flow, doesnt call for every push like you have now, stopes the game only when neccesary and goes easy with cards.
4- realistic ref- a combination of the tough and easy refs, sometimes makes mistakes and sometimes makes good calles, can let offside sometimes.

1.6. CONFLICTS - we would like to see some konflikts during the matches (only once or twice in one season) Punching, headbutts, simulating and so.. It would bring some atmosfere to the most important matches

1.7. GOALKEEPERS - They have to be stronger in safes, there should be less chance to score goals from droped balls.

1.8. STAMINA - Players should collapse on the pitch after being to tired

1.9. MIX AND MATCH KITS - from PES 5

1.10 MATCH LENGHTS ( fully customisible mins )

1.11 GAME OPTIONS ( Golden goal, Silver goal, Penalties etc. )

1.12 PENALTY SYSTEM ( Improve system )

1.13 Momentum Shifts (Momentum Shifts should be affected by more aspects like team chemistry, then just randomized)
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2. GAMEMODES

2.1. MASTER LEAGUE - MORE LEAGUES, MORE DIVISIONS, MORE PLAYERS (FM is right example - no need for license), CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, SUPER CUP

2.2. TRAINING MODE - HOW IT USED TO BE IN PREVIOUS VERSIONS

2.3. ONE ON ONE LOADING - (FIFA)

2.4. PES SHOP

2.5. PENALTY MODE


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3. AI

3.1. DIFFICULTY

3.2. SCRIPTING (computer AI without the aid of scripting both for and against you. When you win on pes it feels like the computer has let you win.) SOLLUTION> FOUR OF US GENERALY AGREED, THAT IT SHOULD HAVE LESS EFFECT ON THE MATCH, NONE OF US IS HAPPY HOW IT IS AT THE MOMENT


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4. STATS AND LICENCES


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5. GRAPHICS - ANIMATIONS, STADIUMS, DRESS etc.

5.1. NEW ANIMATIONS FOR RUNNING

5.2. MORE STADIUMS FROM EPL ( Chelsea, Liverpool, Man U, Newcastle )

5.3. PITCHES CHOICES ( Depending on weather)

5.4. SNOW ( From PES 5 )


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6. SOUND

6.1. FULL NEXT-GEN COMENTARY (Working with stats, team names and so)

6.2. BRAZILIAN-SPANISH COMENTARY (Gol, Gol, Gol, Gooooooooooooolll!! )


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7. EDITING

7.1. IN GAME STADIUM CREATOR, POSSIBILITY OF UNLIMITED STADIUMS

7.2. IN GAME SHOES AND BALLS STADIUM CREATOR


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8. GENERAL

8.1. MEMORY (Look at what made the ps1 and ps2 games so successful and advance on that)

 

[alonCFC]

what is this stupid thread?? why did you open it?! just kidding... i think every time there is something to ad edit the first post and ad it.
i know i want more complicated training mode- like moves tutorial that shows you what butons you pressed and gives you directions on how to do each skill.

 

[jenicek68]

That is what i like.. First it would be nice if we can put as much ideas we can.. Than we can talk about them..

 

[alonCFC]

players not going through other players- improved AI. the only problem with AI is that it is VERY VERY complicated and can take them years to develope an AI that is that powerful.
commentery. more lines and maybe club daqta/ statistics, i would definitly like to hear the brazilian- spanish goal commentery (goalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, golasssssssssssssssssssso, ronaldinhooooooooooooooo and crazy stuff like that.

 

[Dale C.]

Thats a pretty shit letter to be honest, why do you want to send konami that?

 

[jenicek68]

Thats a pretty shit letter to be honest, why do you want to send konami that?

It is start.. We would like to put points together first.. Then we will talk about each of them.. We will try to find easiest possibble solution and then we will vote for best one.. After that we will put it all together and letter is done..

 

[Dale C.]

Ahh I see.

 

[S-D-P]

i am honestly sick of talking about how pes could improve i would rather just play the superb fifa 09 where its obvious huge amounts of effort have gone into the gameplay. It really is simple, konami know how to make a good football sim but they have sold out and decided to make the game appeal to people who have never played a football sim in there life. This sounds overley harsh but i have such great memories of pes i have high expectations, this year EA have reached above those expectations and konami released a half decent football game and an improvement on pes 08(to be honest that wasnt to hard)

 

[jenicek68]

i am honestly sick of talking about how pes could improve i would rather just play the superb fifa 09 where its obvious huge amounts of effort have gone into the gameplay. It really is simple, konami know how to make a good football sim but they have sold out and decided to make the game appeal to people who have never played a football sim in there life. This sounds overley harsh but i have such great memories of pes i have high expectations, this year EA have reached above those expectations and konami released a half decent football game and an improvement on pes 08(to be honest that wasnt to hard)

OK. Another suggestion?

 

[S-D-P]

OK. Another suggestion?

go and play fifa 09 or pes ps2.

also if you actually read other threads you might hear some of my many suggestions

 

[jenicek68]

But we are talking about next PES.. If u would bring some idea from FIFA than it is fine, but otherwise you wasting your time..

 

[S-D-P]

But we are talking about PES.. If u would bring some idea from FIFA than it is fine, but otherwise you wasting your time..

do you not understand that fifa basically is what pro should have been to some extent. EA have copied ideas of konami for the past few years but have refined it to an almost perfect football simulation. But fair enough this is an ideas thread so i will give a few before i get bored and bitter.

-Manual passing on both analogue and triangle and x button.
-Better manual shooting system, shooting is still to easy to master and aimed at five year olds with consistent play.
-Pace needs to be slowed down, manual passing would allow you to do this as in real football.
-Better physics system, players need to interact with each other.
-Better computer AI without the aid of scripting both for and against you. When you win on pes it feels like the computer has let you win.
-Look at what made the ps1 and ps2 games so successful and advance on that.

I have basically just mentioned every feature that is already implemented in fifa 2009

 

[alonCFC]

game mode- super cup.

 

[jenicek68]

My first point to talk about is 3.2. SCRIPTING

Right, guys.. Bring some ideas about scripting..

If you would like to change it write some solution, how to change it easly and quickly as konami can..

If you are happy as it is, and feel that there are some more important point to care about than just write> 3.2. SCRIPTING - OK

 

[S-D-P]

My first point to talk about is 3.2. SCRIPTING

Right, guys.. Bring some ideas about scripting..

If you would like to change it write some solution, how to change it easly and quickly as konami can..

If you are happy as it is, and feel that there are some more important point to care about than just write> 3.2. SCRIPTING - OK

both fifa and pes have a problem with this. If the AI is made more intelligent(i know this isn't easy) scripting wouldn't be needed as much. I hate it on pro when the computer basically lets you win, this has to change. As much as i hate it i think they have to have some scripting with regards to creating the flow of a match.

 

[Dale C.]

I think that unless people have an in depth knowledge of scripting ,and can prove it with qualifications, or hard evidence, then nobody should comment on scripting, because well, they dont know what they're talking about

 

[S-D-P]

I think that unless people have an in depth knowledge of scripting ,and can prove it with qualifications, or hard evidence, then nobody should comment on scripting, because well, they dont know what they're talking about

its not rocket science to spot when somethings scripted. For example the computer AI lets me walk through there defence which gives you an unrewarding victory. Seabass admitted that parts of pro are scripted such as the odd last minute equaliser. I dont really need to give you hard evidence, konami know that its in the game and so do EA. As well as many others who experience scripting on the odd occasion both for and against you. Its not a major problem its always been part of football games and i think it is something that will be eradicated with better AI.

 

[byondthought]

i am honestly sick of talking about how pes could improve i would rather just play the superb fifa 09 where its obvious huge amounts of effort have gone into the gameplay. It really is simple, konami know how to make a good football sim but they have sold out and decided to make the game appeal to people who have never played a football sim in there life. This sounds overley harsh but i have such great memories of pes i have high expectations, this year EA have reached above those expectations and konami released a half decent football game and an improvement on pes 08(to be honest that wasnt to hard)

lol, fifa does have most of that list...

 

[Dale C.]

its not rocket science to spot when somethings scripted. For example the computer AI lets me walk through there defence which gives you an unrewarding victory. Seabass admitted that parts of pro are scripted such as the odd last minute equaliser. I dont really need to give you hard evidence, konami know that its in the game and so do EA. As well as many others who experience scripting on the odd occasion both for and against you. Its not a major problem its always been part of football games and i think it is something that will be eradicated with better AI.

Yeah but sayings something scripted, and truly understanding that statement, are totally different things

 

[jenicek68]

S.D.P: What i feel is the possible sollution is to keep scripting, but make it less effective.. If there will be some physics system which can make crash between the players and all that random staff (Basicly from fifa) than you right, that it will have bigger impact on match than it should have..