If Konami Can Implement What Is In The Press Release......

[Jess C]

Like FIFA 10 did?

The last FIFA game to blow minds was FIFA 09, if I remember correctly FIFA 10 was very anticlimactic. I'm not disagreeing that FIFA is the king right now, but it still has nothing on PES for individuality. As bad as PES has gotten technically the core of the game remains unbroken, an Andrea Pirlo still plays and feels very different to a Ricky Kaka, a David Beckham feels different to an Aaron Lennon, a Del Piero feels different to a David Trezeguet. One of PES' numerous problems is the lack of a challenge from the computer, which leads to the player having little need for a diverse set of tactics to combat it, which leads to an excellent tactical system, capable of fully exploiting the various abilities of the game's player's, being wasted in the game largely played on single player and can only really serve you properly against a human opponent. In FIFA there's some player individuality, but it's a more generic faster/slower, stronger/weaker kind of difference than the subtle technical aspects PES is known for. You don't feel a subtle control of the ball, or a sense of you dictating the play with intricate passing when you're controlling Xavi or the necessity of having a similar type of player to play that kind of football, nor the tight, slight of foot dribbling or sudden burst of pace with Lionel Messi. You can dribble with him but its not the mazy, quick turn dribbles he's known for, more the 'get past him and out-pace him' kind that so many of the players in that game have.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Fifa is the footie game of the future for now ...PES has to earn stripes again to catch up. My prediction is that Fifa 11 will blow minds again this year. Just wait.

Personally, i think fifa 10 blew cocks last year, but thats just my opinion.

FIFA 11 is being hyped, adam from wenb is now working on fifa soccer blog and making hints about how good the game is and how he is backing both fifa and pes this year.

Ive seen other hints this year that point towards ea tackling the individuality issue in this years version. We might find more out later on today.

 

[OCKRASS]

Like FIFA 10 did?

The last FIFA game to blow minds was FIFA 09, if I remember correctly FIFA 10 was very anticlimactic. I'm not disagreeing that FIFA is the king right now, but it still has nothing on PES for individuality. As bad as PES has gotten technically the core of the game remains unbroken, an Andrea Pirlo still plays and feels very different to a Ricky Kaka, a David Beckham feels different to an Aaron Lennon, a Del Piero feels different to a David Trezeguet. One of PES' numerous problems is the lack of a challenge from the computer, which leads to the player having little need for a diverse set of tactics to combat it, which leads to an excellent tactical system, capable of fully exploiting the various abilities of the game's player's, being wasted in the game largely played on single player and can only really serve you properly against a human opponent. In FIFA there's some player individuality, but it's a more generic faster/slower, stronger/weaker kind of difference than the subtle technical aspects PES is known for. You don't feel a subtle control of the ball, or a sense of you dictating the play with intricate passing when you're controlling Xavi or the necessity of having a similar type of player to play that kind of football, nor the tight, slight of foot dribbling or sudden burst of pace with Lionel Messi. You can dribble with him but its not the mazy, quick turn dribbles he's known for, more the 'get past him and out-pace him' kind that so many of the players in that game have.

Sup Tech,

Although you are correct that Fifa 10 did not have the awe effect of 09 the game never depreciated either. EA holds good on its basics. Fifa World Cup has shocked many with good improvements in ball movement and a bit more tenacity in shooting. That said, there is always room for improvements and i appreciate how EA is moving forward. They are not removing good stuff and experimenting with others. Anyone who looks at and compares PES 2010 and FWC 2010 the result will be the same. PES looks great but the gameplay looks robotic. Fifa graphics is not on par with PES but the gameplay looks realistic.

As for this individuality talk, PES does not have individuality just fast players and slow players. Strong defenders and weak defenders. Messi, Eto, CR9, Kaka are all just fast players. Hold the sprint button and run ..thats it. The result is people only using Barca and Real Madrid against opponents. This is not because of individuality, it because the game is broken. Some players are unstoppable if you know how to use them.
Fifa takes skill.. believe it or not. Tricks and tactics help but there is no one player blazing past others on the field. This is what makes the game play better than PES.

Fifa passes are not as ping pong as PES. Defenders hussle the hell out ya....and most of all there are no powerhouse shots from every angle and part of the pitch. It amazes me how hard they shoot on PES from any angle. It is nice ...but not realistic.

This is just some of the reason why many PES players like myself have defected to Fifa. Others who complain that Fifa is boring or repetitive in my opinion find the game hard because it is not as easy as PES. The trick system is Fifa blows Pes out of the water. How can anyone say Pes has individuality when the players can even juggle the darn ball. :angry:

 

[RAMAXWY]

Sup Tech,

Although you are correct that Fifa 10 did not have the awe effect of 09 the game never depreciated either. EA holds good on its basics. Fifa World Cup has shocked many with good improvements in ball movement and a bit more tenacity in shooting. That said, there is always room for improvements and i appreciate how EA is moving forward. They are not removing good stuff and experimenting with others. Anyone who looks at and compares PES 2010 and FWC 2010 the result will be the same. PES looks great but the gameplay looks robotic. Fifa graphics is not on par with PES but the gameplay looks realistic.

As for this individuality talk, PES does not have individuality just fast players and slow players. Strong defenders and weak defenders. Messi, Eto, CR9, Kaka are all just fast players. Hold the sprint button and run ..thats it. The result is people only using Barca and Real Madrid against opponents. This is not because of individuality, it because the game is broken. Some players are unstoppable if you know how to use them.
Fifa takes skill.. believe it or not. Tricks and tactics help but there is no one player blazing past others on the field. This is what makes the game play better than PES.

Fifa passes are not as ping pong as PES. Defenders hussle the hell out ya....and most of all there are no powerhouse shots from every angle and part of the pitch. It amazes me how hard they shoot on PES from any angle. It is nice ...but not realistic.

This is just some of the reason why many PES players like myself have defected to Fifa. Others who complain that Fifa is boring or repetitive in my opinion find the game hard because it is not as easy as PES. The trick system is Fifa blows Pes out of the water. How can anyone say Pes has individuality when the players can even juggle the darn ball. :angry:

are you for real?:shocking:
FIFA takes skill...,PES has no individualism....because the players can't juggle the ball.:shocking:
you must be playing another FIFA and have never played the PES' i've played cause i've heard of those who would say anything to win an argument but you just took it to a whole new level.hmy:

FIFA is boring and easy and after a month you ask yourself why you fell for it again, but hey they market the game so good blowing up the one thing they get right and not saying anything about the importent things they haven't implement so who can blame you.:angry:

PES has lost its throne allright, but they lost it to the older PES and not to FIFA.
FIFA is making good steps forward yes they are but believe me they ain't there yet:no: and they know that.

what they are good at though is convincing you that they are and you my friend are living proof that they have succeeded.

 

[OCKRASS]

are you for real?:shocking:
FIFA takes skill...,PES has no individualism....because the players can't juggle the ball.:shocking:
you must be playing another FIFA and have never played the PES' i've played cause i've heard of those who would say anything to win an argument but you just took it to a whole new level.hmy:

FIFA is boring and easy and after a month you ask yourself why you fell for it again, but hey they market the game so good blowing up the one thing they get right and not saying anything about the importent things they haven't implement so who can blame you.:angry:

PES has lost its throne allright, but they lost it to the older PES and not to FIFA.
FIFA is making good steps forward yes they are but believe me they ain't there yet:no: and they know that.

what they are good at though is convincing you that they are and you my friend are living proof that they have succeeded.

Me and millions others i'm afraid son...:blush:

Im not trying to win an argument here, just giving my opinion. Furthermore you just threw your argument out the window by first saying PES never lost its crown but now conceding that it has in fact lost it.

If you don't play Fifa, don't comment on it. Fifa World Cup is a pretty hard game to play and requires a lot of skill and timing. I admit that the game is not perfect ....but no video game is without bugs or faults. I can comment on PES since i have played it all my life....it was the ish once ....but now its just pure shit.

Fifa is more realistic and superior to current PES. Why do you think everyone is asking for Fifa's engine to be introduced in PES. Do you also realize that the Fish (Seabass) has also acknowledged that Fifa has superior game play? Do you need more proof?

Dude, sell all your PES games and go buy Fifa World Cup 2010 ...then come back and post something good about the game. :lol:

 

[RAMAXWY]

i would write slow if it helped you but i don't think it would so read it slow yourself ok.
yes PES has lost its crown but not to FIFA to the older PES and that's why a lot of PES fans still play these games with updated files and patches.
if FIFA was that good they wouldn't bother because its a lot of work you would know that if you really were a PES fan.
i also mentioned the reason why it isn't that great anymore but never did i say that FIFA is the one to blame because they aren't.
i won't be buying the WORLD CUP GAME because i played it some eight times at a friends' house and think it ain't worth it.
the million others you are talking about mostly buy the game to play online not because the gameplay is better so do some research before posting your colored stats.
you are right about the engine thing though Seabass said it himself i read somewhere and maybe that's the biggest problem, the fact that he is trying to copy FIFA instead of continuing his great work from the ps2 days that's why i for one don't agree.

 

[OCKRASS]

i would write slow if it helped you but i don't think it would so read it slow yourself ok.
yes PES has lost its crown but not to FIFA to the older PES and that's why a lot of PES fans still play these games with updated files and patches.
if FIFA was that good they wouldn't bother because its a lot of work you would know that if you really were a PES fan.
i also mentioned the reason why it isn't that great anymore but never did i say that FIFA is the one to blame because they aren't.
i won't be buying the WORLD CUP GAME because i played it some eight times at a friends' house and think it ain't worth it.
the million others you are talking about mostly buy the game to play online not because the gameplay is better so do some research before posting your colored stats.
you are right about the engine thing though Seabass said it himself i read somewhere and maybe that's the biggest problem, the fact that he is trying to copy FIFA instead of continuing his great work from the ps2 days that's why i for one don't agree.

I read it really slow.

You played Fifa World Cup only eight times?.:shocking:

C'mon son, you know that is not enough time to really judge the game.

Anyways, I love Fifa World Cup...but not as much as how i loved Pes up to 2008. :crymore:

I am really hoping the Fish gets it right this time or else i may have to invite you over for a game of Fifa 11

I hope you realize that Fifa was the wake up call for many of us PES fans. When we saw EA adding great features to their game (working online environment) we suddenly realised that we were being taken for a ride by Konami and the Fish.

The progress that Fifa has made over the last three years has fueled debates of wheter PES could be better in departments such as animations and online gaming. Without Fifa displaying these really gorgeous additions to their game, i wouldn't have realized what i was missing. Do i need to compare the pros and cons of each game to make you realized that you have been lying to yourself for the last three years.

Hope and promises can be very bad attributes for desperate gamers seeking fulfillment in their favourite game.

 

[OCKRASS]

Personally, i think fifa 10 blew cocks last year, but thats just my opinion.

FIFA 11 is being hyped, adam from wenb is now working on fifa soccer blog and making hints about how good the game is and how he is backing both fifa and pes this year.

Ive seen other hints this year that point towards ea tackling the individuality issue in this years version. We might find more out later on today.

Sup Tech,

Adam from WENB sucks major salty balls dude. Don't even mention his name.

I am waiting the news also.

I see you got muzzled dog....:lol:

I alway get a good laugh off your responses dude...but take it easy with these poor lads and try not to get banned. Your clear and candid insights would be missed.

Fifa 10 wasn't that much better ..i agree but i love FWC 10. I do hope EA addressed to individuality, floaty ball and tenacity of the game. It should be a good game again this year.

I am really more concerned about these furkers from Konami. They seem to be taking us down the shittty slippery slope again this year and it looks bad.

 

[RAMAXWY]

I read it really slow.

You played Fifa World Cup only eight times?.:shocking:

C'mon son, you know that is not enough time to really judge the game.

Anyways, I love Fifa World Cup...but not as much as how i loved Pes up to 2008. :crymore:

I am really hoping the Fish gets it right this time or else i may have to invite you over for a game of Fifa 11

I hope you realize that Fifa was the wake up call for many of us PES fans. When we saw EA adding great features to their game (working online environment) we suddenly realised that we were being taken for a ride by Konami and the Fish.

The progress that Fifa has made over the last three years has fueled debates of wheter PES could be better in departments such as animations and online gaming. Without Fifa displaying these really gorgeous additions to their game, i wouldn't have realized what i was missing. Do i need to compare the pros and cons of each game to make you realized that you have been lying to yourself for the last three years.

Hope and promises can be very bad attributes for desperate gamers seeking fulfillment in their favourite game.

not exactly eight times but on eight or so visits and a few matches every time and sorry but i wasn't impressed at all.
FIFA doesn't need that much of time to get used to compared to when u play a new PES.
FIFA'S progress compared to PES is much better but then again they have to, because PES was already there and they still haven't catched up if you ask me.
PES on the other hand went a few steps backwards compared to the older PES mind you and not compared to FIFA.
still if FIFA can not nail the individualism and working tactics this year they still have a lot to do before they are worthy of claiming the crown.
what is a football game minus the individuality?
well my friend simply nothing because that makes you decide which formation you play,tactic u use and where you choose to set up your players and know were your teams weaknesses are,who to play and who to rest before an important match.
fielding a winning eleven every time is a challenge because the stats matter.
if that isn't present you are just playing an arcade game with all the licensed teams and presentation and everything else around it you can dream of but when that whistle blows and the match starts you just have 22 almost similar players on the field and tactics that don't matter and this has nothing to do with the beautiful game as we know it.
that's also the main reason you can not call FIFA a simulation because it lacks the basics.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Well as I said at the beggining of this thread, fifa would make some attempt at sorting out player individuality, welcome to.....

PLAYER PERSONALITY.

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The first FIFA 11 details have arrived in lads mag, Zoo, which we've just run down to the shops and bought (all for work purposes, obviously).

EA says it's implemented "seismic improvements" to FIFA 11, including improved graphics, customisable audio, "massively" improved player AI and 'footballer personality'.

Addressing player complaints over FIFA 10's "ping pong passing", EA's invented "pro passing" for this year's game which allows you to control the weight of your distribution. This also means you'll want to think about the player your controlling, for example not whacking intricate through-balls with John Terry.

In fact, it sounds like EA's gone passing mad; FIFA 11 adds swerve passes, driven lobs, fancy flicks and through-balls with backspin.

Player AI is said to have improved "massively" though perversely, responding to criticism over 10's super-human stoppers, goalkeepers are now less intelligent.

The coolest improvement though, says Zoo, is 'player personality', which means that the world's best footy players now play just as you'd expect them to.

Each player now has a defensive and attacking work rate setting, so Wayne Rooney for example runs around at 100mph hassling defenders, while Dani Alives will charge forward but might be a little slow getting back to defend.

Players are also now able to pull off their own moves depending on personality, so Carlos Tevez is full of little flicks, while Didier Drogba will use his strength to roll defenders.

Elsewhere, FIFA's visuals are said to be massively improved with ten 'body types' in this year's game compared to FIFA 10's three, plus special cases like lofty Peter Crouch.

Players can also now record and upload their own fan chants to play during matches, which makes Bubbles playing out at the Boelyn Ground a wonderful reality.

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EA' pr is very good at time of release, im now very interested in this game indeed and cant wait to see it in action, but EA talk the talk, we'll have to see if that actual game is any good.

 

[joekim1]

wow that's pretty impressive, more so than pes' report imo. look forward to seeing how it'll actually play

but no edit function may suck big time regardless

 

[Tech_Skill]

wow that's pretty impressive, more so than pes' report imo. look forward to seeing how it'll actually play

but no edit function may suck big time regardless

No doubt it all sounds very exciting but EA have a habit of saying the right things and then not implementing them in the game, im a bit dubious over their player personality thing, fifa's CPU AI is horrible and doesnt respect the player stats, it will be interesting to see what happens if you set the AI to world class, it wouldnt suprise me if titus bramble was doing messi like passes.

 

[RAMAXWY]

Well as I said at the beggining of this thread, fifa would make some attempt at sorting out player individuality, welcome to.....

PLAYER PERSONALITY.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

The first FIFA 11 details have arrived in lads mag, Zoo, which we've just run down to the shops and bought (all for work purposes, obviously).

EA says it's implemented "seismic improvements" to FIFA 11, including improved graphics, customisable audio, "massively" improved player AI and 'footballer personality'.

Addressing player complaints over FIFA 10's "ping pong passing", EA's invented "pro passing" for this year's game which allows you to control the weight of your distribution. This also means you'll want to think about the player your controlling, for example not whacking intricate through-balls with John Terry.

In fact, it sounds like EA's gone passing mad; FIFA 11 adds swerve passes, driven lobs, fancy flicks and through-balls with backspin.

Player AI is said to have improved "massively" though perversely, responding to criticism over 10's super-human stoppers, goalkeepers are now less intelligent.

The coolest improvement though, says Zoo, is 'player personality', which means that the world's best footy players now play just as you'd expect them to.

Each player now has a defensive and attacking work rate setting, so Wayne Rooney for example runs around at 100mph hassling defenders, while Dani Alives will charge forward but might be a little slow getting back to defend.

Players are also now able to pull off their own moves depending on personality, so Carlos Tevez is full of little flicks, while Didier Drogba will use his strength to roll defenders.

Elsewhere, FIFA's visuals are said to be massively improved with ten 'body types' in this year's game compared to FIFA 10's three, plus special cases like lofty Peter Crouch.

Players can also now record and upload their own fan chants to play during matches, which makes Bubbles playing out at the Boelyn Ground a wonderful reality.

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EA' pr is very good at time of release, im now very interested in this game indeed and cant wait to see it in action, but EA talk the talk, we'll have to see if that actual game is any good.

now those sound like steps in the right direction.
hopefully those types of passes you mentioned also depend on the skill of the player u are using and not only on the skill of the person playing the game.
those different body types also will give the game a much more realistic look so it all sounds good but knowing FIFA sounding good has never been their problem, so we will have to wait and see.

 

[Tech_Skill]

now those sound like steps in the right direction.
hopefully those types of passes you mentioned also depend on the skill of the player u are using and not only on the skill of the person playing the game.
those different body types also will give the game a much more realistic look so it all sounds good but knowing FIFA sounding good has never been their problem, so we will have to wait and see.

For sure, the details came from another site btw, not from me, just incase people wondered

 

[Jess C]

Looks like this is gonna be a fascinating year for football gaming.

 

[shaun7]

Those improvements are exactly what fifa needs after fifa 10.
I wish they would make the shooting and heading better because as they are, they're horrible. And player personality if done right could be that improvement I want.
But then again, I will trust something when I play it.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Fifa 11 screenshots video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ifaOA4crac

 

[byrnie05]

Which game might not have editing? If it's PES it's an absolute no buy regardless of how good it is. Even when PES10 gets on my nerves, at least I'm playing as my own team.

 

[Joel]

You guys do know that this is a PES thread, right?

If you want to discuss FIFA 11, head to the Other Gaming forum.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Which game might not have editing? If it's PES it's an absolute no buy regardless of how good it is. Even when PES10 gets on my nerves, at least I'm playing as my own team.

i think the poster was referring to pes's rival.