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about passing the ball

IronCity

Banned
I agree on everything you say. But I think this not an issue in regard to controlling the pass but rather another issue, which is receiving the ball/first touch issue.
........But since you can't pass without a receiver, then it's still as passing issue I guess. :)

if anyone has a trick to override the AI and make a player actually jump to head a lobbed ball i would love to know it. My player will lock down in crouched position nearly the entire time the ball is travelling to him and I have tried hitting X or square to do something.

also driving me insane when I tackle the ball away from the CPU, the CPU player falls, yet I get locked from getting around them to chase the ball down, so they have time to get back up and retrieve it.
 

Parkinfed

Registered User
I have found that to win headers in the opposition box and score from them, you need to wait for the moment when you can Cross and your player gets to it running, that is not standing still. If you cross to a static teammate defence will always have time to react.

I am not sure if it makes any difference, but as soon as I cross I tap the RT key and then Press the shoot/pass key, it seems to work for me.
Hope this helps.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
I don't have any problems heading the ball, perhaps 50% of my goals are from headers. Corners are too easy, crosses are only difficult in placing them, the shooting part never bothers me.

Maybe your players are too weak in that matter?
 

IronCity

Banned
I don't mean headers for crosses; i did steer everyone with that talk about 90% in my box, and 10% in theirs. That was really an example i used on another thread of how scripted if feel headers are in in the areas. So let me divert to:

I really want to know how to unlock my player in the middle of the pitch when the ball is coming in, and suddenly he crouches, the CPU then comes from 10 yards away and out jumps me over and over (ps3). Lobbed balls seem to be a CPU cheat. The run faster than them to chase them down another example.
 

rebelinho

Moderator
I don't mean headers for crosses; i did steer everyone with that talk about 90% in my box, and 10% in theirs. That was really an example i used on another thread of how scripted if feel headers are in in the areas. So let me divert to:

I really want to know how to unlock my player in the middle of the pitch when the ball is coming in, and suddenly he crouches, the CPU then comes from 10 yards away and out jumps me over and over (ps3). Lobbed balls seem to be a CPU cheat. The run faster than them to chase them down another example.

TBH I don't have such issue of my players crouching. It did happened in PES2013, and I took a while to figure out why (during crosses/corners, if the player isn't selected they either try to control the ball with their chest, or just duck), but I don't suffer from it in this PES. But yet again, most of my players are quite tall. There are times they jump just a little, but if you have Neves (180 cm fella, 70 Jump) against Areias (186 cm, 76 Jump) or even others, I expect Areias to hold me down and win the play. If it is a fault or not it is a different question.

Regarding the lobbed through balls yes, they run faster than the ball and catch it everytime. That video using Kroos must have been shot in very low difficulty levels, although if you use Madrid their wingers just wipe everything regardless the difficulty you play on.

What platform are you playing on? I am on PC
 

EthanLionel

Registered User
I don't mean headers for crosses; i did steer everyone with that talk about 90% in my box, and 10% in theirs. That was really an example i used on another thread of how scripted if feel headers are in in the areas. So let me divert to:

I really want to know how to unlock my player in the middle of the pitch when the ball is coming in, and suddenly he crouches, the CPU then comes from 10 yards away and out jumps me over and over (ps3). Lobbed balls seem to be a CPU cheat. The run faster than them to chase them down another example.

Try this:
While the ball is in the air press "sprint"(r1), then press "pass button" to head. Same as what you do during opponent's corner kick.

I only tried this now and it seem to work. I'm using liverpool and my player can head the ball(against Sergio Ramos) most of the time from a goal kick. I only tried this now since in the past my aim is to trap the ball from a goal kick.
 

IronCity

Banned
TBH I don't have such issue of my players crouching. It did happened in PES2013, and I took a while to figure out why (during crosses/corners, if the player isn't selected they either try to control the ball with their chest, or just duck), but I don't suffer from it in this PES. But yet again, most of my players are quite tall. There are times they jump just a little, but if you have Neves (180 cm fella, 70 Jump) against Areias (186 cm, 76 Jump) or even others, I expect Areias to hold me down and win the play. If it is a fault or not it is a different question.

Regarding the lobbed through balls yes, they run faster than the ball and catch it everytime. That video using Kroos must have been shot in very low difficulty levels, although if you use Madrid their wingers just wipe everything regardless the difficulty you play on.

What platform are you playing on? I am on PC

i am on ps3. in some conversations with others on ps4 or even xbone, it seems like a number of these issues are common, which is interesting that the coding may be universal and the graphics are different. glad the chasing down airballs wasn't my imagination. as i mentioned in an earlier post, its the repetitive cpu "cheats" that drive me nuts, events that I can shake my head at every 3min.


Try this:
While the ball is in the air press "sprint"(r1), then press "pass button" to head. Same as what you do during opponent's corner kick.

I only tried this now and it seem to work. I'm using liverpool and my player can head the ball(against Sergio Ramos) most of the time from a goal kick. I only tried this now since in the past my aim is to trap the ball from a goal kick.

I will try this over and over next time i play. interesting suggestion, thanks.
 

EthanLionel

Registered User
My player passed the ball in the opposite direction to where I aimed

I read this statement too many times on forums and too be honest, I thought they are right..... Well, that was before.

The thing about passing(normal pass) is that when you aim on a direction and you press the "pass button" then it will pass to where you aim it. I'm talking about 1-bar passing since this is the one I'm using. So if the ball went to a different/opposite direction of where you aimed it, chances are that your left stick is really aimed at the direction where the ball went.

Tips:
To make your passes more consistent, make sure you aim/point your Left Stick to your intended direction until the ball left the passer. I've done this since a couple of days ago and my passing improved a lot.

When you do the above and ball went to a different direction, check your analog stick and guess what, most likely, your analog stick is pointed to the direction where the ball went.

Aiming with analog stick takes practice. It's not because you thought you aimed there means that your analog stick is really aimed there. I know this because I just switched from keyboard to an xbox controller(and 3-bar to 1-bar passing) a couple of weeks ago. Up to now, I'm still making mistakes aiming analog stick to the direction that I intended to, especially on pressured moments. The last PES I played regularly is PES6 and I never used a gamepad with PES6 once. :)

Also, making your passer face the direction your passing to, makes the pass more accurate. So if the passer is facing right and you pass the ball to the left, don't expect it to be accurate.

Also, there's a difference in "normal pass" in "through pass". In normal pass, if the direction of your analog stick is pointing directly to a teammate(or the angle is within range of that teammate), then the ball will go directly to the feet of that teammate. On the other hand, if the direction of your analog stick is not pointing directly on a teammate(and direction is not within the range of a teammate), the ball will go to a space.
On through pass, your always aiming on a space and not a player.The challenge is to aim it correctly and to apply the correct power. Otherwise, the ball will be caught by the opponent or the pass will be too strong/fast or weak.

I hope this helps!

I noticed often I cant pass the ball to my target teammate, the direction (L) is right, the passing power is right, but the ball falls into opposition's feet or the ball goes to my other teammate who i dont want to pass to

Make sure you analog stick is aimed properly. It's not because you thought you aimed there means that your analog stick is not pointing to a different direction. Aiming properly needs practice.

A lot of times when passing to my teammate, there is always a opponent AI standing in the way and u can pass the ball to nowhere else but to AI, its just horrorble.

Pass to a different teammate. Why will you pass the ball to a direction where there is an opponent standing. Of course, the AI will intercept it. If the the opponent is near the passer but still between you and a teammate that you wanted to pass to, you can still pass the ball to that teammate if you really wanted to. Sometimes the ball will pass between the legs of the opponent, sometimes it is intercepted. Just like in real football.

And you can dribble the ball to before passing to create a clear space between you and a teammate.

If my teammate who i want to pass to standing between myself and another player, i just pass the ball to that another player in stead of my intended target teammate who stands in between, what the hell?

If two teammates is in the same direction you are passing to, the ball goes to further teammate if you press the pass button longer.
 
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Ali

It is happening again
I read this statement too many times on forums and too be honest, I thought they are right..... Well, that was before.

The thing about passing(normal pass) is that when you aim on a direction and you press the "pass button" then it will pass to where you aim it. I'm talking about 1-bar passing since this is the one I'm using. So if the ball went to a different/opposite direction of where you aimed it, chances are that your left stick is really aimed at the direction where the ball went.

I'm sorry, but this isn't true. You're basically saying that the person with the controller is an idiot who doesn't know which way they're holding the left stick.

I mean, assisted passing does exactly what it says on the tin, but it shouldn't change the direction of the pass completely. Another thing is passing power, again I expect some assistance but when you tap the pass button and the player decides to whack the ball, that's just unforgivable.
 

EthanLionel

Registered User
I'm sorry, but this isn't true. You're basically saying that the person with the controller is an idiot who doesn't know which way they're holding the left stick.

Sorry about that! I didn't mean extreme mistakes like: The person thought that he holding the left stick towards the right(9 o'clock) when in fact he is holding it towards the left(3 o'clock). That's not what I'm trying to say.

A good example of what I mean is that the person thought that he is pointing the left stick towards 2 o'clock but it's in fact he pointing it towards 4 o'clock.

I mean, assisted passing does exactly what it says on the tin, but it shouldn't change the direction of the pass completely.

Here's the explanation of why sometimes the pass goes to exactly the opposite direction you pointed the analog stick.
It's because you release the stick before you release the pass button. The thing is the analog stick works like a spring. When you press it towards the left and release it, sometimes it goes to the right slightly before it settles at the center. The pass button recognizes the direction that is registered last before(or at the same time) the pass button is release.

To eliminate this, make sure you release the analog stick after the pass button is released. What I actually do is I only release the analog stick once the ball left the passer. This works for me. It should work for you too.

Sometimes it still happens to me, specially during pressured situation and you need to string quick passes or when the players are fighting for loose ball and then suddenly one of my player got possession of the ball. That's because the direction i'm pressing is incorrect or I haven't pressed the direction long enough until I release the pass button.

I hope this helps.
 
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Ali

It is happening again
A good example of what I mean is that the person thought that he is pointing the left stick towards 2 o'clock but it's in fact he pointing it towards 4 o'clock.

Understood , but that's still quite a big difference when you think about it. 2 o'clock is pointing upwards, 4 o'clock is pointing downwards. A "1hr" difference might be ok, but "2hrs" is quite a lot. It's like if you're playing a FPS, and you try to shoot someone in the head but accidently aim for the crotch. ;)
 
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EthanLionel

Registered User
Understood , but that's still quite a big difference when you think about it. 2 o'clock is pointing upwards, 4 o'clock is pointing downwards. A "1hr" difference might be ok, but "2hrs" is quite a lot. It's like if you're playing a FPS, and you try to shoot someone in the head but accidently aim for the crotch. ;)

Yes, I understand what you mean. The thing with fps is that you have a cross hair so you know exacly where your aiming. If the L2 arrow is always visible on PES then those things will not happen because that's just stupid!:)

By the way, as I've mentioned I just switched to a gamepad a couple of weeks ago so I usually make aiming mistakes by 2-4 hours. Lately, I think that I'm improving on my aiming though.

The biggest change I did a few days ago that improved my passing is:
make sure you aim/point your Left Stick to your intended direction until the ball left the passer.
 
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Parkinfed

Registered User
So whoever thinks passing is astray should play a game with the D-pad instead of the L-stick to see if its the real problem or not? How is it possible that so many people who've been using controllers for such long times are getting the direction wrong? I mean some of the posters have got a ps3/controllers for a long time now, plus the new generation controllers are pretty damn accurate.

PS: You can edit your post, you do not have to create new posts to elaborate. If you want to quote multiple people, you can use the multiquote button on the bottom right of each post. Just click the Reply/Quote button on the last post you wanna quote.
 

Ali

It is happening again
PS: You can edit your post, you do not have to create new posts to elaborate. If you want to quote multiple people, you can use the multiquote button on the bottom right of each post. Just click the Reply/Quote button on the last post you wanna quote.

OI! That's my job! :boss:
 

Ali

It is happening again
Did a pass today that made be burst out laughing. The sort of laugh where you couldn't believe what you just saw. I aimed at about 11 o' clock, the player passed to a guy at about 6 o' clock. Ridiculous it was.
 

IronCity

Banned
Did a pass today that made be burst out laughing. The sort of laugh where you couldn't believe what you just saw. I aimed at about 11 o' clock, the player passed to a guy at about 6 o' clock. Ridiculous it was.

i always forget - what is your pass support. I am on zero
 

EthanLionel

Registered User
Did a pass today that made be burst out laughing. The sort of laugh where you couldn't believe what you just saw. I aimed at about 11 o' clock, the player passed to a guy at about 6 o' clock. Ridiculous it was.

Hi Ali,
I hope you can try my tip, which is to release the left stick only after the ball left the passer. Because what happened to you only happens to me when sometimes I quickly release the left stick. Just please try it and you'll noticed that it won't happen to you anymore.

If you wanted to test that the left stick has something to do with that. You can make a player dribble forward to the left, then quickly release the left stick, then suddenly the player will face right as it stops dribbling. It doesn't happen all the time but sometimes after you release the stick, it will tilt slightly to the opposite direction.
 

Ali

It is happening again
i always forget - what is your pass support. I am on zero

The default I think. So yes, I would expect some assistance, but not as I witnessed yesterday.

[MENTION=15133]ETHAN[/MENTION]Lional - please stop making excuses for the game's poor coding. I did nothing wrong with my aiming or holding of the left stick.
 
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