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It does feel to me like they have made PES08 again and fixed a couple of annoying gameplay issues, which really pisses me off. I am really tempted to switch to FIFA, but my housemate might be getting a 360 and if he does he'll buy FIFA, so in that case I'll probably buy PES. I hate to say it but...

FIFA is really good, but not as good as some of these reviews suggest. I haven't had enough PES time to know about whether its any good yet.

The lag might kick in when everyone is online in a couple of days, but here's hoping kids.

The second picture rather suggests to me it's PC, look at the file path at the top of the box (I know its in German but you get ze gist, ja?) And to explain the third pic, a few people reckon the PC version is a XBOX360 port, so that might be the reason for that. Sorry to shit all over your...

Bloody hell, I'm optomistic now, cos you fucking slated PES2008.

Pretty sure Microsoft have bent us over and done the nasty on us in terms of importing. Check the PES09 editing forum, there's more stuff on it in there.

I fucking hate Microsoft, I really do. Why didn't I wait a couple of years and just get as PS3?

That is very illegal. Far more illegal than distributing them for free.

PES3 was a fucking animal of a game.

I think PES on the Wii is the ultimate football sim. I don't play it all the time, and I often prefer 'normal' PES, it is great fun to break it out every once in a while and the control it gives you is out of this world, and I'm not even very good at it.

Exactly. That sort of shit is realistic. It isn't a bug or bad gameplay, and it might be excruciatingly annoying but it is totally true to life.

What do you think the chances are of Konami ploughing a shitload of money into buying certain licences or buying the all-encompasing FIFPRO one come 2010?

One thing I picked up on from that is the way he said FIFA has the realistic gameplay but PES is fun. I think that's what it comes down to in the end. I mean for all FIFA looks at times like an actual match it plays in a slow and frustrating manner, you can't build up the same slick passing...

I doubt it is true. If it is though, there would have to be a good reason, and if that good reason was that they were improving the game in anyway I'd be happy to wait.

I'll bet you can only use other people's option files on the PS3, since Microsoft are such a bunch of fanny rags.

I second that old boy.

You'd think it would be like the ML, but who's to say?

David Seaman?

I wish Lawrenson would fuck off, he's a horrible little cunt rag is that one.

FIFA Carvalho looks good.