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You guys are a bounch of crybabies, does pes12 vanilla suck? yes it does. Does pes12 patched with jenkey/yair patches suck? no it plays much better. These were only the first patches too, so try it with them instead of just deciding to quit and sell the game. Oh and if you play on PS3 its...

Yes, they are really easy to install. For the most part you just need to unzip the contents of those files and then move them to a certain folder in the PES 12 folder and thats mostly it for most of the patches. Some require a bit more work but not much so its still as easy as saying "pie"...

here: http://www.pes-patch.com/2011/10/pes2012-gameplay-tool-new-gameplay-patch-1-0-0610-by-jenkey1002.html and here: http://www.pes-patch.com/2011/10/pes-2012-yair-gameplay-patch-v0-3.html/comment-page-1#comment-68071 The ball physics feels much more realistic. Goalkeepers are...

What a massive improvement of the game, its so much better words fail to describe it.

The game is out for almost 2 weeks now and I have still not noticed any OF editor anywhere, does anyone know when someone will make one?

So don't use it till a newer version comes out and you can, whats the problem?

So what you figured out was how to play soccer? Interesting.

True I just tried, dribbling vs defence and all feels quite good now, maybe your right and its a bit too much but just a tiny bit. But the thing is that it does make AI a "bit" less good in dribbling but not much at all compared to you, so for p1 vs p2 its good but AI still has perfect...

Can't try it yet, do players finally have longer touches while sprinting with the ball?

I can't wait for that.

I personally noticed that shot technique, dribble acc and ball control are the priority stats that are overpowered and need to be downgraded.

What do you mean upgrading the option file, how? If thats true its quite good indeed.

After playing the game much more in the past few days I have come to the conclusion which my biggest gripes are with the game. There are many other small one but IMO these are the ones that really ANNOY me and make me enjoy this game MUCH MUCH less than I would if they were gone. These are ...

The core gameplay and fundamentals are there and therefor its very promising and has huge potential. However there are incredible amount of issues and annoyances and I just hope jenkey/yair or whoever tries to better this game can fix at least half of them, then its going to be an enjoyable...

Sorry but this is bullshit, its only manual passing not shooting.

Yea but in pes 2011 it wasn't that obvious, in pes 2012 it seems to happen way more often and I have to say pes 12 does have alot of little issues atm but this is by far the most annoying one and its really pissing me off.

Maybe someone should tell that murphy guy about it, I don't think jenkey can fix this kind of bug/game issue whatever.

Im sure some of you already noticed, sometimes not that rarely you will aim for the left and instead you will shoot right, does anyone else get seriously annoyed by this because I seriously do.

Thats exactly how it is imo and how I would put it. The game has HUGE potential, but sadly the developers for some reason rushed it/did not really took enough time to properly analyze it etc... and it has a lot of issues. No doubt after the OF/kitserver/jenkey patches the game will be...

C+? thats pretty much how I would rate it, what would you give it an A? lol. And no fifa doesn't deserve anything near an A either.