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Sorry, missed your point!

So agree with this, gimmick, they could have named them traits, player roles, anything but top trumps! Saying that doesn't FIFA 09 have its own card system? If I could have only one, and had to choose on the two videos I have seen, EA and Konami, I would plumb for EA, however some time to go...

Virtual Pro.........I hope they have done similar in Legends

Some details from PESFAN on the ML. Part 1 of a 2 part report http://www.pesfan.com/news/8381892/2010-Master-League-Play-Through---Part-1/ http://www.pesfan.com/news/8385987/2010-Master-League-Play-Through---Part-2/ What do you think? Sounds like it is shaping up quite nice!

gee you really have had your heart broken mate. don't forget, you get what you wish for, low expectations less dissapointment and low demand. demand the best and dont stop until you have got it!

I would take be more than happy with 09 if there was no lag problem, in fact 08 would have been OK! Online is important, dont underestimate it. glad the comps are back like pes6. Must say I am really looking forward to it, started to think that I would have to hang up my pad at 37 after 25...

so what was the topic of this thread again?

If you guys need true 360 you should be playing this game here not PES or FIFA

Do any of you guys use the manual pass? you can be creative and open up space with its use, you have to fight with the movement sometimes but is to powerful to be dismissed.

To be fair to EA and Dave Rutter they have not suggested anything else, from what I have seen they have always said that this year is all about refinement, which IMO opinion is a good move, start from a solid base and build up, not recreate each year as Konami seem to be doing and not really...

When I first heard about this I thought on the same lines as you, it seems rather than coding the AI properly to react in certain situations, it was easier to actually list the things they should be doing and but the onus on to the human player to select the right cards. "Henry likes to shoot...

It looks like the 1-2 causes defenders to freeze again! and some of the defensive positioning was shocking!

When I saw it last night I hoped it was a ploy to lower expectations before gamescom and then blow them out of the water with game play etc. we'll see!

PES history video from 1 to 2009

In the AS3 the whole perspective is different, AS seemed to be more first person and I am sure it was up to go forward, that said it was some time ago.......the memory fades.

I seem to remember that up on the stick moved you in which ever direction you was facing, left and right turned you round. There was some good games back in the day! Nice find BTW

Yes you are right mate, it was all about timing, and it not crashing, on my machine anyway! Was the 360 movement Actua Soccer?

If 360 is his argument then he is a bigger fool than I thought, neither game being out yet! the 50% build issue, as FIFA10 is a refined version of 09 then it would obviously be better at that point. Power bar, for a guy that claims to know some shit, actually knows shit, I recall Match Day...

Sorry I dont want to weed through Tech_Spills angry rants to list what PES is borrowing from FIFA, any one know, what is real argument is?

Oh sorry I should of said for those that are not quick on the uptake, that they are both video games emulating soccer! can you think of another way of doing it. of course you can't...have you dinner son and ctfd.