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Ok here is why i believe PES 2009 will be the best soccer sim to date. -PES 2008, I agree, seemed really rushed because Konami had to make a new code for the PS3 and so they had no time to really work on the game play as much as theyd like. -Look at PES3 which was good but it was a new...

But dont alos forget that the xbox 360 has better games...and that the last PES was much better on the xbox 360 then on the ps3

yeah that I agree with

true that.......i guess by NEXT GEN u mean GRAPHICS? I think will see next gen graphics and animations but nothing mind boggling .... i mean the floodlights and sun are said to be looking spectacular and the grass looks awesome from the shots ive seen so that will definitely give it a cleaner...

Yeah i mean I cant remeber the last time that a FIFA game was better and after reading that info i cant see how that will change....we already saw FIFA gameplay and it wasnt impressive at all....just a polished FIFA 08....PES 2008 just needs a few tweaks in terms of pace and defense and shooting...

yeah maybe i mean from what i read so far about pes2009 i think it might turn out to be the best soccer game ever to be honest with you.....i still think PES2008 had alot of flaws but comapared to fifa it was AWESOME....but pes2009 i think will really take soccer into another level gameplay wise

Neither....I play it on Xbox 360 and theres no slowdown whatsoever....game runs smooth like butter.

See idk why ppl dont like for real......I played PES5 and PES6 and i liked both alot but to me PES7 is the best one without a doubt. Ppl talk about how its easy to run through with one guy and all and its too fast....i just dont see it. Pace seems fine and i think its a matter of playing defense...

Hey amateur do you like PES 2008 or do yuou also think it sucks?

Itll come out weeks after EUROPE....and im 100% sure it will come out before Christmas .... if it doesnt then Konami needs new marketing agents.

You talk like you have played FIFA 09.....compare PES 2008 to EURO 2008 and its clear that PES 2008 is better....so if anything FIFA is the one thats catching up. So lets not talk here like EA has been making great games and that the PES series is the one catching up....its the other way...

Im glad to see that some ppl at least know that pes2008 was not bad. And as far as gap between fifa and pes goes think of it this way....if pes had all the licensed stadium and teams like fifa would the gap be close? Its only b/c fifa has a agreement with FIFA that keeps that game even in...

Man you ppl really crap me up with comments like IM NOT GONNA UP WITH TIS CRAP ANYMORE......1 year konami messes up ( according to alot of you ) and you are already talking like they have been releasing horrible soccer games for ten years or more ( like EA ) shut the fuck up please.....IMO...

yeah id like to know if the UK 360 version will work in north america?

what do ppl mean by when they say that PROEVO 2008 is the worst pro evo entry....do you mean u still prefer the old ones or that this one is just not big enough of an improvement over the old ones? B/c i really dont see how anyone can say that any other proevo is better then this one....maybe u...

Hmm damn well u can definitely see that the game is faster and the players do respond quicker.....so id say i might be able to pick up both PES 2009 and FIFA 09

well i mean i can promise you that no person that plays FIFA08 and PES 2008 ten matches in each game will say that PES 2008 well i mean i can promise you that no person that plays FIFA08 and PES 2008 ten matches in each game will say that PES 2008 had much more exciting gameplay and moments I...

Idk what this thread meant by AGAIN?.. people give FIFA 08 props for ADDING NEW FEATURES and b/c EA says they are TRYING HARD. well i mean i can promise you that no person that plays FIFA08 and PES 2008 ten matches in each game will say that PES 2008 had much more exciting gameplay and moments...

I read somewhere its between Torres, Messi, and Zlatan

hehehe I remember coming home from school with a couple of freinds and just playing pes6 on the xbox 360 ( which had many features cut from the last gen ) but i mean the gameplay was awesome....HOWEVER.....this game seems much mroe realistic its like the scores ( at least iny my case ) are a...