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Body Balance is the dumbest thing ever. I done a test. I took one player from "Team A" who we all know have stats of 50 for everything. I made one of the strikers 99 body balance, everything else 50. And he scored a hat-trick past Chelsea. They make body balance too important.

I guess so. There probably looking at the long term affects.

Don't really see what Setanta can do for a game lol. Don't see how it can benefit the game, in sales it will of course because there will be more promotion. But in terms of the actual game what can setanta do? They can't have more licensed teams or anything just because there now sponsored by a...

In all respects, Messi should be the best player. And Chelsea should be the best team. -- Having Barcelona the best team is just ludicrous.

With Messi's stats, I see many people picking Barcelona once again. I wanna see C.R7's stats.

But its time PES started getting these "cards", I mean PES has never had a fully licensed game.

I think that was going to be the menu but they changed it up. To me the menu above looks a little grim, too much grey.

My exact point, the ratio of teams : stadiums is like 10 : 1. It's horrible, In PES 08 I got tired of the stadiums, I know this doesn't really make a difference, but when daytime look exactly the same as night it got boring quick.

A new engine............ NOOO!!!!! Just fix up this one, the pes engine is fantastic it's just a few things that need to be fixed.

I'll rent both and judge from that :)

Maybe they wanna give you a taste of how crap the unlicensed teams will be. Horrible badge, horrible kit, horrible team.

I mean if Arsenal and Chelsea can't be licensed for the Master League and other modes. Does that mean Arsenal and Chelsea wont be licensed in FIFA09's version of the CL. I bet £20 they can still have the correct kits, names and badges just not the Champions League name and cup.

Go to the section specifically for option files. It'll tell you everything you need to know. http://www.pesgaming.com/forumdisplay.php?f=266

You can't hate on FIFA coz PRO don't have the licenses. I'm hating on Konami for not getting them lol. Literally... from ISS Pro - PES09. Konami isn't the sports game for official stuff.

I want a new option file the day the game comes out lol. In the past not having the license has never even phased me. Now its taking its tole. I'm tired of playing with North London.... that horrid badge.... that horrid kit.

Those shots look absolutely terrible. Damn.... lol. Coz I was really looking forward to PES09, those have kinda put me off.

Cool, I think the demo needs to come out soon. Bringing it out on 3rd Oct... the day FIFA 09 comes out would be the dumbest thing ever.

Go to training mode and see whats new, an article said shooting has changed... check that out. Check out the new skills and experiment. Then go to the CL mode and win it with Arsenal, then I'll see how online mode is. THEN ITS BAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm gonna steal mine from my local Tesco.

In the past PES have had the licenses for the Spanish League, Italian, French and a few others. So I'm wondering why is there always about 15 stadiums in the whole game? Aren't they aloud to make more stadiums as they have the license? Never really understood that.