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Dude, Ronaldinho, Ibrahimovic, Kaka.. is there any difference at all in their movements?? I don't see what's so brilliant about "Ronaldinho's classical movement". There are only 4 slightly different types of movements. It would be great if PES09 featured some 10 different types of dribbling...

Yes, some people will start the same argument time and time again until next year. Why?? Because people will find out sooner or later just how boring PES09 is. Or on the contrary, the game might grow on them. Fact is that PES09 has been out for a few months, so the same argument will come up...

Yeah, because positive criticism will make a difference.. grow up.

Really?? How long do you think it takes me to post the same thing over and over again?? I already know the argument backwards, it doesn't bothers me considering it takes about 5 minutes.. So WHY should I step aside?? And a bit contradictory isn't it?? You say I always use the same argument...

I'm sorry, but after playing PES6 and PES5 for years now, I think PES09 is rubbish. PES09 is average at best, I don't see WHY we should be satisfied with that. And, I don't need to understand Football to enjoy PES09... it is because I understand Football so well that I can see just how rubbish...

That's true, in FIFA the passing is so good that the Passing Stats are quite pointless. But I'm sure they'll look into it, having used some of Konami's ideas already, I'm sure they are aware of the fact that PES is still better with the Stats. I think FIFA should keep the same passing system...

Improvements?? The same ones that I've been expecting for years now, the game hasn't improved.

That's a fair suggestion.. Only thing is that running the Length of the pitch will take even longer because of it, it would still be unrealistic because of the immense Space and Time available on the pitch.

Yeah, but that's the thing that ruins this game the most, it is too SLOW, tactically. Players like Riquelme or Zidane, they can create TIME for themselves and their team mates. But when you can do this with Kaka, or Robinho, or Adriano, or any other player who doesn't haves That Ability.. it...

Obviously some will agree and others will disagree, if not the world would be a boring place. But this thread is for comparing PES6 and PES09, the things you love and hate in both games. If people agree or disagree is another matter.

Agreed.. PES09 is average at best, it isn't as good as PES6 or PES5. It haves some nice touches, like the improved "Long Ball" and "Lofted Through Balls". Which really contribute something to the gameplay. But the Time it takes to run the Length of the pitch is an Unrealistically long...

Fair enough.. that's your opinion and I should respect it. But I just don't see How PES09 is better than either PES6 or PES5. I've posted my Reasons in the "PES09 vs PES6" thread. And it wasn't my intent to insult you or anything. It's just that Labeling a group as "moaners" really annoys me...

Konami have got the engine right????? Are you serious? Have you seen the player movements?? The worst movements I've seen in a sports game. FIFA09 haves much better movements, and so does PES6. The game also lacks Feeling, and is one of the easiest versions. And WHY do you talk about...

Dude, you should really keep this comments to yourself. What's your point?? I repeat myself, but at least I have a point. What's your point?? You've said the same exact thing twice. If you do not want to contribute nothing to this thread, then please don't say nothing at all.

Maybe I've been a bit too harsh on PES09 when I say it's an "embarrassment of a game". But to be honest, I do think PES09 is average at best. The size of the pitch, it feels never ending, it isn't realistic at all. If anyone bothers watching a real Football match on TV, they'll notice that...

And what about PES09?? I can score at the very least, 3 Identical goals per game. The fail-safe method is by timing a Long Through Ball, it rarely fails, one on one against the keeper for the easy tap-in. Or if this doesn't works for you, you can always try the Long Range shot with some...

Yeah, and I suppose you know everything about programming?? Cause it doesn't takes a genius to know that the PS3 can handle a lot more than the PS2. And it doesn't take a genius to know that the PS2 versions of PES are superior to the Next Gen PES. And no offense, but you have no credibility...

To be perfectly honest, I do think PES09 is a poor effort from Konami, just like PES08. It can be fun at times, it is Playable, but it simply isn't PES. Something essential is missing. After playing PES5 and PES6 for so many years, I expected the same (if not better) quality from the Next Gen...

Comments like this are really.. I mean, I really fail to understand how some people enjoy playing this better than the PS2 versions of PES6. Yes PES09 is much better than PES08, huge improvement.. still not as good as the PS2 versions of PES6. In other words, the PES series has gone backwards...

In my opinion PES6 is superior to PES09. But alike most versions, PES09 does haves a few nice touches. One of them is the Shooting of the ball, I like it, it may even be better than the one on PES6, but it definitely lacks the Feeling of the PES6-Goals. Maybe the main difference is that in...