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Yeah I also thought the same at 1st.. but after thinking about it for awhile, the Average Players should also have Tendencies. I think the Determinant Difference should be in the Stats.. for example if Leo Messi and an Average Player have the same exact "Tendencies", Messi would still be more...

We have Seen PES09, some of us have already played PES09, hopefully it Plays like the Old versions. But Overlooking PES09 for a moment, I wanted to make this Thread to discuss things about PES in general.. What made PES so good in the PS2?? What New Features should Konami Introduce in Future...

I have heard some people Moaning about how "the Tricks where switched to the Left Stick" -and- How when they where just trying to Turn, the player ended up doing some Unexpected Trick -and- ultimately loosing Possession. I haven't played the demo yet, so I don't know anything about this.. But...

A "Vision" Stat would NEVER work, it would be too Inaccurate. It's better to simply distinguish Short Ground Passes -from- Long Ground Passes.. and Short Lobbed Passes -from- Long Lobbed Passes. Those 4 Stats would effectively Determine each players Passing Range. David Beckham; great "Long...

I'd like to play a game with PES5 Pace and Ball Physics -and- with the Fluidness of PES6 + New Stats and Special Abilities. That would make a great game.

I think it's far from the end, the Next Gen era is just getting started. Personally, I think Konami should look at the Ball Physics, Pace, and Passing from PES5 -and- also take a look at the Attacking AI, Attacking Play, and Fluidness of PES6. After they have done that, they should Introduce...

Completely Agree.. a "Defensive Awareness" Stat could do the job, my Opinion is that Tactical Abilities should be Stats -just- like Dribbling is a Stat. And considering that Konami actually Knows how to work with Stats.. considering that Stats actually reflect In the Gameplay, I think Konami...

No, that's a common mistake, but a mistake nevertheless.. A player's Passing Range is very easy to accomplish, the PES series does Not haves enough stats for it -and- it shouldn't be "fixed" by simply introducing a Stat for "Vision" or Passing Range. Simple, scratch the Old; Short Passing...

A Simple Improvement?? How about having decent Commentaries for a change? is it so hard.. And while they're at it, they should come up with a better and Improved system of Stats and Special Abilities. This are Next Gen Consoles, why is it that Konami still uses the same Flawed (and Limited)...

PS2 version.. I don't know about PES09 -but- all the Next Gen versions of PES are embarrassing and a waste of time. Hope PES09 changes that..

Well, the PES09 demo looks very similar to PES5.. Although, it seems it doesn't Feels like PES5. I played PES5 today -and- I came to realize that PES6 is the better game -because- it is more Fluid than PES5. In PES5 the game is Stopped far too many times, everytime you Touch someone, that's a...

That would be cool IF someone with a 99 Shooting Accuracy did it -But- if it becomes something Any Average player can do, it's going to suck. Look at Matt Le Tissier, scored countless of goals from way out.. although Not from his Own Half.

We do tend to forget things very quickly.. that's how it is though, the best game wins the customers. Anyways, I agree with everything you say.. but still, it's disappointing to wait for another year before Konami can finally release a proper Next Gen Football Sim. Patience is a virtue.

Yeah, but the thing is that Konami has not elaborated on that approach.. If they wanted to make it more Realistic -then- they should have introduced New elements into the game. For example having something like an in-game "Confidence Level" gauge -or- having another thing to determine How...

Dude, FIFA09 stills is Not as good as PES5 or PES6. Try it sometime.. play FIFA09 for an hour or so -and- then play PES6. FACT is that EA Sports still hasn't managed to produce a game as good as PES5. You're making a HUGE deal out of FIFA09 -and- what's so great about it??

Completely True.. and even more annoying is the FACT that even if FIFA09 is good, I'll (somehow) end up playing PES6 instead. I really Fail to Understand WHY they keep producing disappointing games in Next Gen Consoles.. I mean, they just had to Elaborate on PES5 and PES6 -and- instead, they...

It's very Disappointing to know (despite the fact I haven't even played the demo) that PES09 is not as good as the PS2 versions.. Makes me wonder What in Hell have Konami done for the past 2 years??! If I don't like the demo, and the Full Game is the same as the demo -then- I'm definitely...

I disagree.. Scoring goals in PES3 and PES5 had a GREAT "Feeling" -whereas- scoring Goals in FIFA09 is just as good as the Goalkeepers in PES09. Build Up Play is great though, but because Goal-Scoring lacks so much Feeling.. it just Ruins the game for me. So what can I say about EA Sports...

What's your Overall Thought on PES09?? Better than PES08 but not as good as the Old versions?? Or, just as good as the PS2 versions?? I really don't know what to make of it -since- the Reviews have been very Inconsistent.. some people seem to like it -while- others don't like anything about it.

I would love it if they actually Improved because -then- I would have an Alternative to PES. But I played the FIFA09 demo and honestly, where are the Improvements?? Yeah, I agree much better than FIFA08 -but- is it much better than EURO08?? In my Opinion FIFA09 is a slightly improved EURO08...