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So the GK play is just fine with you? Or how about the shooting, where it's total crapshoot where the ball goes in relation to where you aim?

So him correctly pointing out that a few amateur programmers and modders improved the game and gameplay 10 times over in a week, where Konami had a year to work on all this, really REALLY pissed you off... is what you're trying to say.

The flashy sim works for me when I can have fun with it and play it without wanting to tear my hair out. Whereas I refuse to buy and play any game (PES) that's glitchy and broken in so many areas, regardless of how strategic it is or has been in the past.

Exactly correct, and one of the biggest issues with the offline game. In typical EA fashion, the devs have programmed the AI to flatout cheat (see jet-packing DBs in Madden) in order to provide gamers with an offline "challenge." In FIFA 12, they programmed the attacking CPU ball carrier to...

The Konami devs take these features away with good reason and for a very specific purpose. They like to drive their customers crazy. They sit around in their offices monitoring the net for threads just like this one to see who they've peed off, and why. They're no doubt in rolling on the floor...

Or do you buy the PC version of PES, install all the amazing gameplay mods, and kit mods, and commentary mods, and enjoy it without ever having to think of FIFA? PES 2011 modded was the best football game I've played. Anyone with a console doesn't know what they're missing.

Close your eyes, cycle thru the teams, arbitrarily stop and presto... random selection match!

You know, it's truly annoying trying to carry on a dialogue with people who actually go out of their way NOT TO LISTEN. As Ali explained, Konami has admitted they put scripting in the game. Jesus bro...

That example is EXACTLY how Konami has programmed the scripting. FIFA just shifts into god mode, where every player suddenly plays like Messi. Konami's scripting-cheating mechanism is less obvious but IMO more infuriating. Because your own players essentially cause the goal by suddenly playing...

Ha-ha! Hey, I'm having fun with FIFA this year. But at it's core, it still a child's toy when it comes to offline gameplay. No CPU strategy, no CPU formation changes or tactic switching, all teams playing exactly the same. And the shifting into god mode where third tier teams suddenly all play...

Terrific post techboy, spot on.

Okay, well I guess that's good news and bad news, lol. Thanks.

True, that was a problem in PES 2011 as well until I globally raised players' defensive ratings. Fixed the problem for the most part.

I don't have the game yet. But if they're really THAT bad, then that's damn near broken, and I'll just stick with pes 2011, LOL.

Now I just feel sorry for you. Don't you have any fun in life, is that your problem? FIFA isn't all that bad this year as long as you know what to expect (EA game and all). But the PC version can be modded at least, and there are some terrific mods available that improve the gameplay...

Take another look at this obviously scripted, CPU cheat goal, and then please tell me how the user is supposed to react to: 1. His CPU-controlled defenders RUNNING AWAY FROM the play 2. His CPU-controlled GK DIVING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION of the shot...

The state of the world is shocking. The state of the PES series, five years later, is merely puzzling, maybe even annoying if you let that sort of thing get to you. Perspective is everything.

This I agree with. They removed player ratings this year for christ's sake. Now there's no shot technique rating to help fix the shooting issue. Stupid beyond belief. I even think it's why there are AI issues in this year's game that weren't in PES 2011 (GKs, shooting, run glitch). They screwed...

Now you're just talking rubbish to make your point apparently. Animation-wise, the game looks 300% better than last year, and every game review has said the same thing.

How can they? Easy, they did it last year and have already released better mods for PES 2012. Is that a good thing, that a game needs to be modded like that to make it playable? Probably not. But that's the reality. Now, if there are mods available that make PES 2012 the best PES ever, then...