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Here is the source btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pes_2009 lol

what was wrong with that?

but I'll play any football game so go for it lol.

This is one of the funniest topics I have ever read online. He sounds like a 15 year old with no clue about how the world works. Your dad played with Pele and Beckenbauer Your friend owns 2 suburbs in Melbourne Your know 2 millionaire with "spare" millions to fund your video game (best one)...

What time does this thing start and when can we expect some info?

Don't believe that list at all. It keeps changing every day. I look at it now and River Plate is gone and other teams are gone. It's just some idiot taking guesses on what the teams will be.

PES 2008 was the biggest arcade game. And does anyone else find the passing so horribly slow in PES. Even to move the ball to a player ten yards away the ball moves slower then a turtle and the other player just stands there and waits for it. How come they haven't addressed this?

that must have been the only video you watched because there is always a crowd in the replays. And you could save replays in fifa, but only onto the internet, not your console.

Victorious? This doesn't even tell us anything. AI is improved, Gameplay is better then 2008, Graphics are better then 2008, players wave their arms to call for the ball. PES 2008 was a trainwreck, and to beat fifa 09, Pes 2009 is going to need to do a lot more then these slight improvements.

Sorry i didn't even see the "Wikipedia".

Once again, How do you know?

Wow...

Wow. After reading that interview it seems to me we are in for more of the same, lazy, crap from the past 2 years. "Have we finally moved into the "Next Gen" or are we still polishing a turd (graphics wise) The graphics are similar but the lighting effects (floodlights/sun etc) are...

Why wouldn't it warrant it's own thread? But on topic: I think it's ok, but still kind of arcade.

When did PES get the German and Argentine leagues? All I saw in 2008 was River and Bayern Munich. Anyway, I guess Fifa is the game for me then. I didn't realize PES fans were so closed minded and have no interest outside of europe. Without the fans demanding it, konami won't do it. nevermind.

I don't get it. PES only has what 5 leagues? and only 3 or 4 of them are actually licensed? I know EA has a hold on some of the most popular leagues in Europe but how about expanding a little. The Argentine, Russian, Greek, Chilean, Japanese, Colombian, and plenty of other great leagues out...