Advanced Formations (Images)

[Pro P.I.M.P]

Hello there, Im new to this thread but ive been a diehard pes fan since the days of iss international soccer. Im glad to see people in here who take as much an interest in the tactics and formations in this game as I do. I noticed pro PIMP was wondering about the team strategy and what the letters stood for, im sure this has probably been covered already but here:

Back Line: This is how far up the field your defensive line will push up

C- They will stay deep, depending on other factors ie their defence levels and where the ball is this can be from the edge of their box to about 40 yards out. This is the setting to use against teams with pacey forwards, or counter attack oriented teams.

B- The back line will push up about 10 yards further but unless they have attacking arrows or low defence will not usually make much of an effort to get involved with your teams attacks, ie full backs wont overlap your side midfielders.

A- The defence will push right up to the half way line and sometimes the full backs will go even further to offer attacking options. This makes the defence susceptable to counter attacks and long balls over the top. A team like Man U play like this with Neville and Heinze pushing forward to the wings. Also they have pacey cb's in Ferdinand and Silvestre which makes it hard to break away against them.

Zone Press: This is how much the midfield in particular will close down and harrass the attacking opposition.

C- Will stand off the opposition and leave the closing down mainly to the player. Depending on the defensive levels, will wait until the opposition is so far up the field before doing it automatically.

B- Will press the opposition but not to the extent that it could leave massive gaps between the defence and midfield.

A- Use this when you are trailing a match or if your opposition's midfield seems to have a lot of time and space to pick out passes that are hurting you. Your team will press the opposition even in their own half of the field. But this can leave a lot of space to exploit behind the midfield.

Offside Trap:
Kind of self explainatory. This is how the defence will deal with players who play 'on the last man'.

C- Will drop back goal side to prevent the player having an easy path to goal.
B- Will occasionally try the offside trap if a player wanders behind the d-line.
A- Will push up the field to catch players offside who werent offside before.

Counter Attack:
This is how a team's attacking players position themselves when the opposition have the ball. This Co-incides with zone press as a player may move back to close down the opposition.

C- Attacking players will prioritize defending and back into a position to help the midfield and defence.

B- Will keep within reasonable passing distance to the midfield so its easier to build up passing plays from the back to front.

A- The attacking players will stay as high up the pitch as possible. A couple of good passes from the back after an opposing attack and there will be a lot of room to exploit. This works particularly well with one target man and one pacey forward, ie. inter with Adriano and Martins.

Thanks! which would be the best way to put these settings to make me play bad and concede more chances?

 

[Pyrokronix]

Good post, I learned a lot from it.

 

[Jake Small]

"Thanks! which would be the best way to put these settings to make me play bad and concede more chances?"

If you know how to play well, you know how to play poorly. Find out what is a good formation and do the opposite?

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

Just tell me what to set zone press & offside trap to then If I wanna play poorer and concede more chances?

 

[fin186]

Just tell me what to set zone press & offside trap to then If I wanna play poorer and concede more chances?

It depends really. I would say set back line to A and zone press to C and offside trap to B. This would allow the opposition far more time and space on the ball. Also this would allow them to counter attack fairly easilly.

 

[Jake Small]

"Just tell me what to set zone press & offside trap to then If I wanna play poorer and concede more chances?"

Are you serious? You need someone to tell you how to play worse? If you know what all the things do, it should be no problem to figure out for yourself how to *play worse*. How about zone press and back line on A with a bunch of tired defenders? How about back line and zone press on C with 5 at the back all spread out? How about turning down all your guys' stats? How about setting your formation into a smiley face and putting all attack arrows to diagonal back? Or how about *gasp* teach your friends a basic understanding of the game, since anyone with a basic understanding should be able to beat somebody who cannot figure out how to *play badly*.

I don't get it. I can see why someone would want an explanation to help them understand functions, and how to use them to an advantage, but playing terribly isn't exactly *difficult*. It's not like there's some special trick you have to do to play bad. The very process of learning to play a game properly involves figuring out *what not to do*! How can you know how to play at all, and not know how not to play? When you figure out that you're supposed to pass the ball at a certain time, implicit in this understanding is that you are 'not supposed to not pass the ball at that time'. So if you know enough about WE to beat somebody, you should by default know enough about WE to play poorly against them.

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

Listen mate don't talk to me as if I am a rookie! I have been a die hard Pes player since the initial ISS games but its only recently that I have started to delve into the formation side of things. I have tried to teach my mates a basic knowledge of the game but even when I take it easy on them they still don't create chances and I only play with 3 at the back! I just wanted to know what to set the team strategy settings to to make me concede a few more chances for my mates without making it look like I wasn't trying! OK? I don't know why u replied because if you had read you would have seen that fin186 has tried to answer my question unless you have a better answer for team strategy settings for me?

 

[fin186]

Its hard to say that one setting is better or worse than an other. The team settings arent there to offer a better or worse setting, its to offer variety to the style of play that you use.
The only way you could make a right or wrong move in terms of deciding which settings to use would be dependant entirely on the opposition and the way that you like to play.
Remember that just because your team tires quicker with the settings set as A's this doesnt make it more or less effective. Thats the beauty of it, its all about intepreting the tactics of the opposition and setting your own team up in a way that will help you achieve the best (or in your case pro pimp) worst solution.

 

[fin186]

I was bored so I decided to give a few examples of templates that could help illustrate how these settings can be used to suit you style of play.

Remember these are just my own ideas.

Counter attacking
back line- C
zone press- B
offside trap- C
counter attack- A

To play with width to support a good aerial threat
back line- A
zone press- B
counter attack- A

all out defence
back line- C
zone press- A
offside trap- C
counter attack- C

all out attack
back line- A
zone press- A
counter attack- B

to stretch the game(ie lots of space for players on the ball)
back line- C
counter attack- A

to compress the game(effective if your a scrappy player or a good dribbler)
back line- A
counter attack- C


its quite simple really when you think about it

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

Also, I was wondering about the Formation A and Formation B strategies. How long would you say it takes for a team to re-shuffle itself when the ball is still in play, and indeed if it does change from the default formation before a stoppage occurs.

Thats aimed at JMZ, this guy seems to know his stuff. Anyone though really.

It normally doesn't take too long. It all depends on where your players are and where you will put them in the other formations. Best way to see this is in training. just kick off on free training and then do the formation change. You will then see your players move into their new positions

It normally changes automatically when there has been a stoppage. (depending if the strategy button is on) You can also do it when a goal has been scored, so by the time the team kicks off again the players will be in the formation of your choice.

I play with Brazil and use 3 formations. default is 4-2-2-2. this is a balanced formation. Good for defense and attack.

My second formation is a 3-3-2-2. Slightly attacking but mostly a possession kinda formation. Good for attacks down the centre.

My Third formation is a 4-2-4 formation. very solid at the back and suprisingly solid through the midfield. wing play is very effective as you essentially have 3 players waiting in the box for the cross, regardless of which side u use. I tend to use this formation throughout the game if someone has a 3 man defense. the 2 wide players are always free when you are attacking.

Hope the info is useful to anyone.

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

It normally doesn't take too long. It all depends on where your players are and where you will put them in the other formations. Best way to see this is in training. just kick off on free training and then do the formation change. You will then see your players move into their new positions

It normally changes automatically when there has been a stoppage. (depending if the strategy button is on) You can also do it when a goal has been scored, so by the time the team kicks off again the players will be in the formation of your choice.

I play with Brazil and use 3 formations. default is 4-2-2-2. this is a balanced formation. Good for defense and attack.

My second formation is a 3-3-2-2. Slightly attacking but mostly a possession kinda formation. Good for attacks down the centre.

My Third formation is a 4-2-4 formation. very solid at the back and suprisingly solid through the midfield. wing play is very effective as you essentially have 3 players waiting in the box for the cross, regardless of which side u use. I tend to use this formation throughout the game if someone has a 3 man defense. the 2 wide players are always free when you are attacking.

Hope the info is useful to anyone.

Is your 4-2-2-2 formation the same as tedmauls from evoweb?

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

I dunno what tedmauls looks like. I came up with my formations on my own.

Do you have any images?

 

[moineau]

4-3-3 help needed

Talking about the formations.

I'm a new player in the world of pes so i usually play at 3* which still gaves me a lot of competition from the CPU. Using the mentioned Tedmaul's 4-2-2-2 formation i seem to win regulary in my master league.
Nowadays i tried to switch to another kind of formation 4-3-3 to see if it can change my style of play.
I used the default PSV formation (4DF, 1DM, 2 CM, 2WF, 1 ST) and to be honest, i really can't create a lot of chances.
I still can win but only on a slow margin (1-0, 2-1) etc.
I tend to rush down the wings (as opposed to my central-attack style with the 4-2-2-2) and i keep losing the ball with my WF, also cannot seem to find a free man to pass to, which is never a problem with the 4-2-2-2.
Anyone has any tips which will help me improve my 4-3-3 struggle?
I would really like to have the 4-2-2-2 as my main formation, then the 4-3-3 as a second.
That will allow me to try both the central attack and the wing attack with the 3rd formation available for sth defensive (4-5-1?).
Anyway, i'm sure my problems with the 4-3-3 are mainly my poor skills with the pes but i would like to hear your ways of scoring with that formation to help me improve mine.
Thanks in advance
M.

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

Are there any good formations for WE8:LE for using against the A.I and human opponents?

 

[CosMic]

Cover your sideback area better

I was wondering how you guys cover your sidebacks better cuz i always get run over by my oponent from the sides any handy tips that would aprove my defence thx

 

[dazmister]

I Know This May Sound Daft But U Guys Are My Idols I Would Do Just About Anything To Meat U And For U Lot To Teach Me But I Suppose This Stuff Will Have To Do Even Though Im Not Completley Sure When To Execute Onto Formation A And Formation B But I Suppose In Time I Will Learn And Be Like U.

 

[dazmister]

All Me And My Do Is Play It But Im The Only One Who Is A Pro Ev Freak And Intererdted In Formations N All That.iused To Think I Could Beat Anyone But No That Ive Sat And Read Every Form Im Beggining To Wonder Am I Really The Best.

 

[dazmister]

Jmz Must Be The Pro Ev Master I Fukin Luv Him.cant Wait For The Pro Ev 5 Troops Can U

 

[Zygalski]

Please do not keep replying to yourself. Use the Edit button in your posts.
Everyone thinks they are the best at the game but there is always someone who can beat you at this game. Have you played online?

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

I have a 4-2-2-2 formation as default. I have a 3-5-2 modified formation for ball poessesion or just to swamp the midfield and i have a 4-2-4 for wing play, crossing and attack works pretty well against comp and human opposition