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Annoying aspects of WE10

Hunter

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I thought this deserved it own individual threads to discuss the sheer disgusting events which occur in WE10. In case your wondering if I enjoy playing WE10, I do, thoroughly but its starting to irritate me with the same problems occuring so incredibly often.

The Goalkeepers are awful, they couldn't catch the ball if it was placed into their gloves. On numerous occasions the ball has been side-footed 'at' them no further than an inch or two away yet the Keeper believes the best option is collapse and let the ball go in. But no wait! It doesn't stop there, every Keeper on the game is a shambles no matter how good they are in reality. I've played again my mate a total of 81 times now I think and in that time I've had 1 memorable keeper. His name was Landreau, I had him again the next match feeling confident only for him to concede around 7 goals with 5 being through his own lack of skill. You can literally walk around the Keepers without being challenged, and if you are challenged then they'll foul you and get Red. 2 of my Keepers got sent off in one match for ridiculous last ditch tackles despite not even needing to charge out. Only 1 in a 100 maybe will they poke the ball away to safety. Despite not holding Triangle the Keeper still feels the sudden urge to headlessly sprint out of goal on nearly every occasion even with the player being hassled by a defender and being 5 yards outside the box showing no real threat. This happens incredibly often leading to pathetic goals.

Not to mention the defending is the worst I have ever seen for a PES/WE game. Its probably better than the Goalkeeping but I'd rate that at 1/10 so its not really difficult to surpass it. Certain players like Henry and Ronnie are great at dribbling in real life but in the game they are pretty much unstoppable and it gets frustrating to see players like Lennon walse through Cannavaro, Samuel and A.Cole and many other top players with ease. My mate has scored many like this as is vice versa. Its just not realistic, the ball is literally magnetised to the players feet. On another note, Cisse is fairly slow, he was up against Terry and got completely outpaced. Realistic ? I think not.

Many strikers and certain midfielders feature a special 90degree turn. Similar to a shot feint however you only need to press the direction button. At first I was over the moon with this new feature as it was unique and helped create space. However after a month or so it becomes so blatently obvious when the player is going to do the special turn. He spreads his arms and shapes his body, usually taking him 1-2 seconds to perform. In this time your opposing player (mate) can easily scout it by simply moving his controlled player next to the trickster. Tackled.
 

haka09

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Many of the GKing faults and lousy defense may be due to the reason that konami wants a fluid attacking flow that results in higher scoring games.. yah.. the pace of players always have a problem... imagine Henry at full speed can be caught up by hyypia!!!! hopefully we can see improvements for pes6...
 
well i don't like the new keepers either but there is a reason, is so that poachers are actually worh using now, trezuguet will pounce on anything in seconds its needed so those players have there uses. I don't like it though,.

The dribiling and sefending, while ronaldinho and henry are good at dribbiling players like lennon wont get throgh samul and canavro, you probably aren't too good at defending, canavro stops everyone
 

Hunter

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Kairoshousen said:
well i don't like the new keepers either but there is a reason, is so that poachers are actually worh using now, trezuguet will pounce on anything in seconds its needed so those players have there uses. I don't like it though,.

The dribiling and defending, while ronaldinho and henry are good at dribbiling players like lennon wont get throgh samul and canavro, you probably aren't too good at defending, canavro stops everyone

They wouldn't in ML but thats because the AI is fairly basic and often predictable but when playing mates despite being good at defending its nearly impossible. Both me and my friend who have been playing PES against each other for many years are good at pretty much everything on the game and are better than your average joes. So to see the lack of defending ability is silly. A CB such as Terry or Rio will have 1 decent game out of 10.
 
Hmm well I've been playing pes since the begining and play my brother sometimes for hours eachday so it' not the masterleague only.

The thing is pes has alaways had bad defending theres just stupid things you can't control but regardless of thses, if you can defend well you can stop anything its just very hard. The other thing is ronaldo ronaldinho kaka etc. in real have sometimes just run hgalf the pitch took it around multiple players and scored they can't hit this form in real life 100% of the time but in pes you have the ability too...so in reality if this was happeninng you just couldn't stop them but they will rarely do it, but in pes you can do it how much your abilty allows you...which can be a hiuge amount, so uhh that s my point i guess..
 

forbdwiz

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I have the EXACT same feeling as hunter here...been playing this game for years and i can literally say a small fraction of my life was spent playing this series..I was expecting this to be another thread just pointed at the idiotic GK AI only for everyone to miss the defending which leads to some of the goals scored...I flung my controller at my brother...*so nearly*..
 

Hunter

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forbdwiz said:
I have the EXACT same feeling as hunter here...been playing this game for years and i can literally say a small fraction of my life was spent playing this series..I was expecting this to be another thread just pointed at the idiotic GK AI only for everyone to miss the defending which leads to some of the goals scored...I flung my controller at my brother...*so nearly*..

I never usually get frustrated with Pro in a violent way, I often just laughed when I conceded as it was a form of letting out frustration. But this game has boiled me over the edge, several times now I have punched my controller and also headbutted it in a Zizou-esque fashion. I again played my mate today, he was winning 5-4 I think (9 goals in 1 match, realistic ?) and in the dying moments Messi (for me) took it round the opposition's Keeper only to be savagely attacked by him and brought down. Must have been a good 3-4 yards away from the ball yet the Ref gave nothing despite looking on from a mere 5 yards. I was fuming, seconds later the match was over. The exact same thing happened earlier in the match too but at the end of the first half. This is the Ref's fault I realise but the Keepers too, both occasions my friend didn't press Triangle to bring him out. However the Keeper ran out anyway and wiped me out on both occasions recieving no card, no punishment and no foul. Its ridiculous really.

Kairoshousen said:
Hmm well I've been playing pes since the begining and play my brother sometimes for hours eachday so it' not the masterleague only.

The thing is pes has alaways had bad defending theres just stupid things you can't control but regardless of thses, if you can defend well you can stop anything its just very hard. The other thing is ronaldo ronaldinho kaka etc. in real have sometimes just run hgalf the pitch took it around multiple players and scored they can't hit this form in real life 100% of the time but in pes you have the ability too...so in reality if this was happeninng you just couldn't stop them but they will rarely do it, but in pes you can do it how much your abilty allows you...which can be a hiuge amount, so uhh that s my point i guess..


I'm similar, I've still got International Superstar Soccer Pro 98 locked away in my safe as its a treasure. :happy:

I've been able to defend quite forcefully on all previous Evo's that I can remember. Usually conceding only 1 in Multiplayer matches and quite often keeping a clean sheet. But the defending is horrendous this version, we played PES5 the day before I got WE10 too. I can remember our last match on PES5 together which ended 2-1 to me. Whereas the next day the sudden jump went to 6-5 to him with there being 11 goals in the match. Its beyond unrealistic in terms of the amount of goals you're able to score against a friend of the same calibre. No one loses defensive skills overnight, its impossible.

But you seem to be able to cope reasonably well by the sounds of things so if your offering advice then I'd greatly appreciate it. Hopefully it will work but to be honest I won't hold my breath as defending seems impossible against many forms of average/good strikers on the game in Multiplayer mode.
 

freestyle

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Hahaha, I'm playing as we speak. I was using Adriano and was through to the keeper. I dribbled past the GK and he lunged out at my legs and I went head over heels, with no call. In fact, I've only gotten a penalty once with Henry when that's occured (in maybe 15 attempts), and keeper was also ejected.
 

murc

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Quote me on this: "PES will be the exact same game, in terms of gameplay, as WE. It has never failed before, and it won't this time." <<< You know I hope I'm wrong. But most likely, I'm right.

Please, do not get your hopes up that all of these shortcomings will be sorted come October. Quit worrying about this shotty game and focus on whoring your funds to get the next-gen system & version. And, if it's not better, then stop wasting money on this steadily declining series and enjoy the games from the glory days(IE: PES4/WE8).
 

Zygalski

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- ThE G - said:
Argh, I'm bracing myself for the worst now anyway. Nice little write-up, Hunter.

I agree with all of the complaints above. It's the first time I've seriously considered going back to play a previous version which isn't so bad (PES3).

I was told by someone in the know that the upcoming version of the game will have better defence and goalkepers. Let's hope he was right.
 

Hunter

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Zygalski said:
I agree with all of the complaints above. It's the first time I've seriously considered going back to play a previous version which isn't so bad (PES3).

I was told by someone in the know that the upcoming version of the game will have better defence and goalkepers. Let's hope he was right.

I've heard that too, probably from you though. :tongue:

If the defense and keepers aren't improved for PES6 then I will not buy it but convert back to the older games. Its become ridiculously sickening in all honesty.

Another point about the defenders, is it me or do they just seem to often do the complete opposite of what you want them to do ? Whenever a player is through on goal they seem to jog or stand still to 'mark' the player on the wing etc. One of my defenders got sent off for sliding someone from behind when in actual fact I hadn't even controlled him, let alone press a button to tackle. It happens now and then and its silly.
 

forbdwiz

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I have been playing WE10 for a good long time everyday and I yet can't quite get a hang of it...defending is non-existent..socrelines are fantasy-like..and in the last match I played against my brother we both managed to get goals(around 2 each) that the GK just parried into the net..and the remaining goals easily avoidable if I could just mark any player without the CPU changing me to some defender not even close to the striker. All goals were scored from outside the 18yd box..All goals had the defenders marking the strikers in some idiotic way to allow them enough place to get a shot in holding sqaure+x just to get 2 defenders on him did nothing to help the cause..as all you have to do is just turn and your free for some reason..Can anyone else tell me of the scorelines that they have been getting recently I have managed to win 0 matches with a scoreline of 1-0 or 2-0 or a goal margin of the sort and I have been playing this game for years...But on the other hand 6* against the AI as I find it is still easy to win against nothing hard..but humans cannot be stopped as witnessed by me vs my bro as he can't stop me and me him.
 

Hunter

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I agree with you Forbdwiz. Against the AI I always manage to win, usually with a reasonable scoreline though i.e. 2-0. However when I play my mate there is always at least 7 goals it seems, even the odd time ending up 8-6 etc. The last 3 or 4 games we've had though have been 'more' realistic however still around the 3-2 mark.

The markers seem to switch when chasing an attacking player too. Whenever I'm chasing my opposition (friend), the marker will switch from the closest defender to one about 10 yards away without me actually pressing L1. Although whilst I'm complaining about several points, the tackles have been improved vastly with the sweeping hook defenders seem to do last ditch. Very impressive.

On an attacking note, I find it strange that sometimes from 30-35 yards out the attacking player would rather side foot it on occasions rather than drill it. Not whining about it too much as I've scored some peaches from closer range but it just seems a little odd being so far out and opting for a side foot.

I've also discovered Keepers seem to parry the ball more if the shot is side-footed as opposed to a laced blaster. Many a time my Keeper has comfortably caught a powerful laced shots whilst he has hashed up a slow weak side footer, especially one directed straight at him.
 

Adams1104

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forbdwiz said:
Suprisingly enough everything someone complains about has happened to me and I have yelled to my brother and I now keep a new scoreline..."actual score" where I only count goals of sheer brilliance rather than defensive ineptitude..

your brother must hate you for that. i bet you're the eldest and NONE of his goals count, whereas all of yours do. I hope this game isn't this bad that 'actual scoring' is the dish of the day. Just play it as it's made, or not atall. :p
 

Adams1104

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oh yeh, i was reading up on one of these posts about the bug with the goalie always rushing out. I think you can change something in the formation settings that stops them from doing that. Either like defensice arrow down, or up. or attacking arrow down or up. or the goalie has a preset A,B,C type of thing which affects how often he rushes out. try that possibly, if you can read japanese.
 

Hunter

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Adams1104 said:
oh yeh, i was reading up on one of these posts about the bug with the goalie always rushing out. I think you can change something in the formation settings that stops them from doing that. Either like defensice arrow down, or up. or attacking arrow down or up. or the goalie has a preset A,B,C type of thing which affects how often he rushes out. try that possibly, if you can read japanese.

Thanks a lot mate, I'll test it when I next have a game, most probably in an hour or two. I will report back with the info whether it indeed works or not. But at least I have some form of hope now.
 

forbdwiz

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LOL.. i was only kidding about the actual scoreline thing..heh..still trying to get a hang of the game..never took this long to get into a new pes i have been playing this since ISS...
 

paoan013

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Malagacf said:
Yes, goalkeepres are awful, the ball seems to be on fire, 'cause they never catch it.
Malagacf, today my team, Panathinaikos borrowed a player from your team. His name is Ricardo Sousa Bovio. Is he a good player?
 
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