While I agree that PES is streets ahead of FIFA, I wouldn't go as far as saying I hate FIFA or EA, firstly, the element of competition between the two is a good thing, in theory, the higher FIFA raise the bar the more overtime Seabass and his minions will put in to jumping it, Secondly the point about EA Madden being the only NFL game around being highlighted as a problem, suggests that choice is essentially good, It makes no sense then to have blind faith in one footy game over the other without considering alternatives, even if the alternative to PES is FIFA. My pont is that if there was no FIFA, there would be nobody for PES to humiliate every year, and if FIFA suddely becomes great one year, then Konami will inevitably raise their game. Personally speaking though I dont even need to see the PES demo, Because in my opinion it is the superior game, FIFA has been aknowleged and tested and remains in the periphery of things for me, but my point is that there is no point assuming PES is better, when it doesn't take much to know for sure.