Complete player editing
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bagrunnell
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Ah, Chris! Good to see you back again sir, hopefully you are going to get right back into the thick of things lol!
I have checked your thread occasionally amd presumed you were on holiday so welcome back. Yes this option file has definitely flourished now, so thats where all my main efforts are.
But I have come across one problem though. Well its not really a problem, more a little inconvenience. Because I patch PES5, I obviously dont use the ingame editor for anything really, so the option file that these stats are being applied to is basically a default one. So people are probably more likely to use the PES editor to view the stats on their PC, and put them onto their ps2 manually.
I have checked your thread occasionally amd presumed you were on holiday so welcome back. Yes this option file has definitely flourished now, so thats where all my main efforts are.
But I have come across one problem though. Well its not really a problem, more a little inconvenience. Because I patch PES5, I obviously dont use the ingame editor for anything really, so the option file that these stats are being applied to is basically a default one. So people are probably more likely to use the PES editor to view the stats on their PC, and put them onto their ps2 manually.
bagrunnell
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The middle shooting star is a special star which as I said, really only indirectly effects the long range shooting ability of a player. The key attributes to successful shooting from range are still the three shooting ability's; accuracy, power, technique. The middle shooting star on its own does not give a player the ability to blast in goals from distance, it effects the type of shot which a player can produce, which in turn makes it that bit easier to score from range. True, it does give slightly increased accuracy, but that is not the main feature of the star.
The middle shooting star, increases the probability that a player can produce what we will call a 'non-rotating shot'. Basically this is the kind of shot where there is very little swerve on the ball from the connection from left to right or vice versa depending on the foot used. Think of Lampard away at Everton, or Gerrard at home to Villa. With a player who does not have the middle shooting star, the probablity of this 'non-rotating' shot being produced are quite slim, about 30% it is believed. There is even less chance of this kind of shot being produced mid-dribble, and normally can only be achieved by using the knock ahead technique (R1 + L1). If a player has the middle shooting special star, then there is a much higher chance of this player producing a 'non-rotating' shot, especially during mid dribble. You notice players like scholes, Gerrard, Lampard (and incidentally Diarra) are particularly good at this, and can get the shot whilst moving with the ball. Think of Gerrard against Man utd a couple of season's ago, and Lampard at home to Everton this season. What's more is when the knock ahead technique is used, or the players are running on to a slow moving ball to strike, there is a much higher probablilty of this 'non-rotating' shot being produced, over 90%.
So you see that although middle shooting has a small boost on accuracy (not much), it by no means turns a player into a marksman from distance. So once again we come back to Diarra. His shooting abilities are 68 for accuracy, 80 for power and 65 for technique. He deserves middle shooting, because he is good at producing these 'non-rotating' shots, but he isnt as consistent as say Lampard or Schloles at them. So this is where the beauty of stat balance comes in to play. What stat has effects the likelihood of a 'nice' shot being achieved? Thats right, shot technique. So by giving him lower shot technique of 65 and middle shooting star, he has the benifit of being able to produce these 'non-rotating' shots, but because he has lower shot technique, this has a slight counter to the special star, which is exactly what we want as he isnt as consistent as Gerrard at this type of shot, but is more consistent than players without it!
The middle shooting star, increases the probability that a player can produce what we will call a 'non-rotating shot'. Basically this is the kind of shot where there is very little swerve on the ball from the connection from left to right or vice versa depending on the foot used. Think of Lampard away at Everton, or Gerrard at home to Villa. With a player who does not have the middle shooting star, the probablity of this 'non-rotating' shot being produced are quite slim, about 30% it is believed. There is even less chance of this kind of shot being produced mid-dribble, and normally can only be achieved by using the knock ahead technique (R1 + L1). If a player has the middle shooting special star, then there is a much higher chance of this player producing a 'non-rotating' shot, especially during mid dribble. You notice players like scholes, Gerrard, Lampard (and incidentally Diarra) are particularly good at this, and can get the shot whilst moving with the ball. Think of Gerrard against Man utd a couple of season's ago, and Lampard at home to Everton this season. What's more is when the knock ahead technique is used, or the players are running on to a slow moving ball to strike, there is a much higher probablilty of this 'non-rotating' shot being produced, over 90%.
So you see that although middle shooting has a small boost on accuracy (not much), it by no means turns a player into a marksman from distance. So once again we come back to Diarra. His shooting abilities are 68 for accuracy, 80 for power and 65 for technique. He deserves middle shooting, because he is good at producing these 'non-rotating' shots, but he isnt as consistent as say Lampard or Schloles at them. So this is where the beauty of stat balance comes in to play. What stat has effects the likelihood of a 'nice' shot being achieved? Thats right, shot technique. So by giving him lower shot technique of 65 and middle shooting star, he has the benifit of being able to produce these 'non-rotating' shots, but because he has lower shot technique, this has a slight counter to the special star, which is exactly what we want as he isnt as consistent as Gerrard at this type of shot, but is more consistent than players without it!
ATH10
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bagrunnell said:The middle shooting star is a special star which as I said, really only indirectly effects the long range shooting ability of a player. The key attributes to successful shooting from range are still the three shooting ability's; accuracy, power, technique. The middle shooting star on its own does not give a player the ability to blast in goals from distance, it effects the type of shot which a player can produce, which in turn makes it that bit easier to score from range. True, it does give slightly increased accuracy, but that is not the main feature of the star.
The middle shooting star, increases the probability that a player can produce what we will call a 'non-rotating shot'. Basically this is the kind of shot where there is very little swerve on the ball from the connection from left to right or vice versa depending on the foot used. Think of Lampard away at Everton, or Gerrard at home to Villa. With a player who does not have the middle shooting star, the probablity of this 'non-rotating' shot being produced are quite slim, about 30% it is believed. There is even less chance of this kind of shot being produced mid-dribble, and normally can only be achieved by using the knock ahead technique (R1 + L1). If a player has the middle shooting special star, then there is a much higher chance of this player producing a 'non-rotating' shot, especially during mid dribble. You notice players like scholes, Gerrard, Lampard (and incidentally Diarra) are particularly good at this, and can get the shot whilst moving with the ball. Think of Gerrard against Man utd a couple of season's ago, and Lampard at home to Everton this season. What's more is when the knock ahead technique is used, or the players are running on to a slow moving ball to strike, there is a much higher probablilty of this 'non-rotating' shot being produced, over 90%.
So you see that although middle shooting has a small boost on accuracy (not much), it by no means turns a player into a marksman from distance. So once again we come back to Diarra. His shooting abilities are 68 for accuracy, 80 for power and 65 for technique. He deserves middle shooting, because he is good at producing these 'non-rotating' shots, but he isnt as consistent as say Lampard or Schloles at them. So this is where the beauty of stat balance comes in to play. What stat has effects the likelihood of a 'nice' shot being achieved? Thats right, shot technique. So by giving him lower shot technique of 65 and middle shooting star, he has the benifit of being able to produce these 'non-rotating' shots, but because he has lower shot technique, this has a slight counter to the special star, which is exactly what we want as he isnt as consistent as Gerrard at this type of shot, but is more consistent than players without it!
cool i understand now but i hope you understand what i was trying to say
bagrunnell
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I certainly understand what you say, and it is very understandable as to why you said it sir.
I hope you understand now about what I was saying regarding treating every player as an individual, as it really is one of the fundamental principles behind this.
I hope you understand now about what I was saying regarding treating every player as an individual, as it really is one of the fundamental principles behind this.
bagrunnell
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Sounds great to me. I dont really mind who. If there is anybody you people feels we could have a great debate about then fire away.
bagrunnell
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Great idea. He is a player I am working on now for my option file, so how very convenient!
bagrunnell
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Hmm, thats a good question. I would probably say no, but that is because Michael Essien here, whom I feel has the tools to become one of the most complete midfielders.
If I was picking a random team, he would definitely be up there though in my choices. I feel he still needs to develop as a player, and pick a route between either a pure DMF, or a more central midfielder. He has moments of both at the moment, and does a good job at each, but I feel if he wants to become world class then he will sway more to the other, as he doesnt have quite the physical attributes to be a box to box.
If I was picking a random team, he would definitely be up there though in my choices. I feel he still needs to develop as a player, and pick a route between either a pure DMF, or a more central midfielder. He has moments of both at the moment, and does a good job at each, but I feel if he wants to become world class then he will sway more to the other, as he doesnt have quite the physical attributes to be a box to box.
bagrunnell
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Definitely. Like I say though, I think in the next few seasons we are going to see him develop what kind of player he becomes. Personally I think he is going to evolve in to an out and out DMF, a la Claude Makelele. Like I said, he doesnt have quite the stamina or pace to play as a complete box to box midfielder, and he has the tools to do DMF to a very high standard. Great strength, good passing, and most importantly he can read the game. Good spacial awareness and sense of other players positioning which is key to DMF I think. I think that is the difference between players like Gattuso and Makelele. Gattuso is all about aggression not much reading of the game, and clever players can outsmart him, but they would be hard pushed to do that with Sissoko.
So how do you reckon Liverpool will play this year? I struggle to see how they will fit Sissoko, Gerrard and Alonso in (essentials in my opinion), whilst accomodating for the wingers.
So how do you reckon Liverpool will play this year? I struggle to see how they will fit Sissoko, Gerrard and Alonso in (essentials in my opinion), whilst accomodating for the wingers.
Timblez
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I've seen Sissoko play and I honestly think he will be as good or dare I say even better than Viera. If all goes well,(no injuries etc)he will become world class. Liverpool have a gem on their hands. (off topic) I've noticed this is my longest post yet, including the pic
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HTF
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I think liverpool could play 4-5-1/4-3-3.
Something like this
----------------Reina-----------------
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-Finnan--carragher-Hyypia-aurelio/Risse-
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----------Alonso------Sissoko--------
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-Garcia--------Gerrard---gonzalez/Kewell--
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----Crouch/bellamy/Fowler/Kuyt------
Something like this
----------------Reina-----------------
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-Finnan--carragher-Hyypia-aurelio/Risse-
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----------Alonso------Sissoko--------
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-Garcia--------Gerrard---gonzalez/Kewell--
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----Crouch/bellamy/Fowler/Kuyt------