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Does Anybody Else Hate How The Computer Cheats?!

Baddar

Registered User
So, just out of interest, once this "slower player" catches you up, why not just slow down yourself, let go of R1 and begin sprinting again, maybe in a different direction?

I appreciate it's not always that easy, but I've always found it easy enough to get past players. And I must say, I've never really seen the issue of a really slow player catching me up when I'm controlling a fast player.
 

mp78

Registered User
So, just out of interest, once this "slower player" catches you up, why not just slow down yourself, let go of R1 and begin sprinting again, maybe in a different direction?

I appreciate it's not always that easy, but I've always found it easy enough to get past players. And I must say, I've never really seen the issue of a really slow player catching me up when I'm controlling a fast player.

If i try that the opposition player tends to knock me to the floor and run off with the ball! this doesnt happen all the time but just too much and thats what annoys me. I also dont have any problems when going past a player it just seems sometimes the opposition player will get a boost of speed and strength and catches you

What teams do you normally use when playing?
 

Baddar

Registered User
If i try that the opposition player tends to knock me to the floor and run off with the ball! this doesnt happen all the time but just too much and thats what annoys me. I also dont have any problems when going past a player it just seems sometimes the opposition player will get a boost of speed and strength and catches you

What teams do you normally use when playing?

Before the latest option file (well, before Christmas infact) I played as Sporting Lisbon. I preferred playing with a challenge and building up their squad of mostly young players.

Even then, I had no problems in the running department. I could beat people and keep the ball (not 100% of the time obviously) with guys like Ronny, Izmailov, Veloso, Djalo and Moutinho. And you'll probably find (not too sure on this) that aside from Ronny and Djalo, the pace on the others is quite average.

Since the OF I've begun a ML with my nephew as Man Utd. Ten games in on Top Player and we're yet to concede from a FK or corner, which I'm pretty happy about.

So yeah, this isn't me bragging, I'm just telling it like it is. I see your views on it because gaming, and PES in particular can and will feel really annoying at times. I'm just trying to let you know that you can improve, and when you do, won't feel so hard done by all the time.
 

fick

Registered User
I like the way people keep quoting on things that happen in "real" football. I would be interested to know how many of you play "real" football. ( and no , the school team does not count ) and at what sort of level they have played to.

I used to play regularly until i was 19 & got a bad injury, so i cannot say what level i could've reached. I was good though...

As height is such a disadvantage can you explain to me why the players who need to be the strongest and generally do most the tackling( usually your centre backs ) tend to be over 6ft tall? I can really see those midgets knocking them over, because afterall they have a lower centre of gravity!!!

Because CB's need to be able to head a ball and midgets are no good at that now are they? :no:

To prove my point, look at Tevez. The guy is tiny, yet week in week out you see him harrying taller, alledgedly strong defenders off the ball, or sheilding from taller midfielders. He's not the only one either. When the ball is on the floor, height is less of an issue than strength.
 

tr1n1ty

Registered User
Fick ur spot on!!
MP78 does it matter if uve played footie and up to what level?? i dont think so!!!! My friend doesnt play footie yet im always on the comp playing it so i got him trained up so he can give me a good game but hes never played 11 aside!!

U never get a 5ft centre back as they need to be good in the air but that doesnt count anywhere else other than maybve a goalkeeper!!

small good players in prem, SWP, Tevez, malbranque, lennon, scholes to name just a few!!

If you have the ability your good enough to play no matter what height!!
 

mp78

Registered User
Fick ur spot on!!
MP78 does it matter if uve played footie and up to what level?? i dont think so!!!! My friend doesnt play footie yet im always on the comp playing it so i got him trained up so he can give me a good game but hes never played 11 aside!!

U never get a 5ft centre back as they need to be good in the air but that doesnt count anywhere else other than maybve a goalkeeper!!

small good players in prem, SWP, Tevez, malbranque, lennon, scholes to name just a few!!

If you have the ability your good enough to play no matter what height!!

Yes it does matter what level you have played to ....because training, intensity of matches, quality of players is a whole lot different to playing on a sunday afternoon after a few pints of lager!! but if you have never played semi-pro football, there is no point explaining this.

A lot of the time you play to a teams weakness. i.e, slow midfielder, you will face up a faster player and play through balls past the slower player to exploit that, yes this can be countered by having a second deep defensive midfielder , but thats irrelevant , so back to my original point, it really fucks you off when a slower player catches you and gets the ball. This isnt my opinion it is a matter of physics and reality, cant see how it is so hard to understand how this annoys people.

And as for small players, i think there is lots of world class small players out there, if you remember i mentioned Makelele catching Ronaldo, i dont remember saying anything about Tevez, SWP , lennon , scholes , malbranque ( i dont quite understand him being quoted as a great player though!)

Try playing a few games
 

mp78

Registered User
Fick ur spot on!!
MP78 does it matter if uve played footie and up to what level?? i dont think so!!!! My friend doesnt play footie yet im always on the comp playing it so i got him trained up so he can give me a good game but hes never played 11 aside!!

U never get a 5ft centre back as they need to be good in the air but that doesnt count anywhere else other than maybve a goalkeeper!!

small good players in prem, SWP, Tevez, malbranque, lennon, scholes to name just a few!!

If you have the ability your good enough to play no matter what height!!

tr1n1ty - if tall players are usually defenders or goalies, can you explain how if your theory is correct,most of the worlds top strikers are tall - Etoo , Henry , Berbatov , adebayor , fernando torres , adriano , ibrahimovic, just to name a few
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mp78

Registered User
Before the latest option file (well, before Christmas infact) I played as Sporting Lisbon. I preferred playing with a challenge and building up their squad of mostly young players.

Even then, I had no problems in the running department. I could beat people and keep the ball (not 100% of the time obviously) with guys like Ronny, Izmailov, Veloso, Djalo and Moutinho. And you'll probably find (not too sure on this) that aside from Ronny and Djalo, the pace on the others is quite average.

Since the OF I've begun a ML with my nephew as Man Utd. Ten games in on Top Player and we're yet to concede from a FK or corner, which I'm pretty happy about.

So yeah, this isn't me bragging, I'm just telling it like it is. I see your views on it because gaming, and PES in particular can and will feel really annoying at times. I'm just trying to let you know that you can improve, and when you do, won't feel so hard done by all the time.

I just noticed that you are on about playing against the computer in ML mode. I am talking about online play. I too have no problem in ML mode, i dont even play that anymore as i find it too easy and the variation of play is very small compared to online matches.
 

tr1n1ty

Registered User
tr1n1ty - if tall players are usually defenders or goalies, can you explain how if your theory is correct,most of the worlds top strikers are tall - Etoo , Henry , Berbatov , adebayor , fernando torres , adriano , ibrahimovic, just to name a few
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I said "U never get a 5ft centre back as they need to be good in the air but that doesnt count anywhere else other than maybve a goalkeeper!!

I never said tall players cant play elsewhere i am making the point that central defenders are usually Tall rather than short!!

I wouldnt say Eto is really tall anyway hes 5"8 about the same size as Pele but you have picked some tall players what about then maradonna, he wasnt so tall mark Hughes not the tallest, robbie keane, Wayne Rooney aint massive hes wide but not tall (lol) ZOLA !!

I have played to quite a good standard, never a pub team, and had a few sessions at lilleyshaw so im no mug and understand intensity of training and matches at a higher level!
 

mp78

Registered User
I said "U never get a 5ft centre back as they need to be good in the air but that doesnt count anywhere else other than maybve a goalkeeper!!

I never said tall players cant play elsewhere i am making the point that central defenders are usually Tall rather than short!!

I wouldnt say Eto is really tall anyway hes 5"8 about the same size as Pele but you have picked some tall players what about then maradonna, he wasnt so tall mark Hughes not the tallest, robbie keane, Wayne Rooney aint massive hes wide but not tall (lol) ZOLA !!

I have played to quite a good standard, never a pub team, and had a few sessions at lilleyshaw so im no mug and understand intensity of training and matches at a higher level!

To quote you "You never get a 5 foot center back as they need to be good in the air but that DOESN'T COUNT ANYWHERE ELSE other than maybe a goalkeeper. So yes you did say tall players are not much use anywhere else!! And as i stated there are lots of small players who are very good. The point i was trying to make is: it really pisses you off when a small player can run into a larger stronger player and get the ball off them through force. If you have played football like you say you have then you should realise this. To end this i will say, in my opinion the strength / speed stats on a lot of players in his game are completely fucked up!!
 

Baddar

Registered User
To quote you "You never get a 5 foot center back as they need to be good in the air but that DOESN'T COUNT ANYWHERE ELSE other than maybe a goalkeeper. So yes you did say tall players are not much use anywhere else!! And as i stated there are lots of small players who are very good. The point i was trying to make is: it really pisses you off when a small player can run into a larger stronger player and get the ball off them through force. If you have played football like you say you have then you should realise this. To end this i will say, in my opinion the strength / speed stats on a lot of players in his game are completely fucked up!!

But to be honest, you didn't really use the best example of players did you...

Makelele is a strong Midfielder even if he is small in height. He's no Ethiopian 10,000 metre runner when it comes to build, is he?

And comparing anyone with any ounce of strength to Cristiano Ronaldo (of all people) is just silly. Put an eight-year-old on a field with Ronaldo, and get him to make any sort of contact and he'll fall on his arse. And this isn't me with any Ronaldo hate, as I'm a United fan myself. It's just the truth.

Btw, if strength / speed stats are "fucked up!!" as you say, enlighten me on who exactly, and I'll give my own opinions on it.

Don't forget, if you ain't happy with any stat, there's always "Edit" remember.
 

tr1n1ty

Registered User
To quote you "You never get a 5 foot center back as they need to be good in the air but that DOESN'T COUNT ANYWHERE ELSE other than maybe a goalkeeper. So yes you did say tall players are not much use anywhere else!! And as i stated there are lots of small players who are very good. The point i was trying to make is: it really pisses you off when a small player can run into a larger stronger player and get the ball off them through force. If you have played football like you say you have then you should realise this. To end this i will say, in my opinion the strength / speed stats on a lot of players in his game are completely fucked up!!

Kinell MP78 have you studied English, i was making the point that centre backs and goalies and preferred taller read it again!!!

"You never get a 5 foot center back as they need to be good in the air but that DOESN'T COUNT ANYWHERE ELSE other than maybe a goalkeeper." Where in that statment does it say tall players are not much use anywhere else it doesnt the meaning behind it is that taller players are preferred at centre back and goalie anywhere else size really doesnt matter sheesh!!!! (please dont go there again!!!)

Hmm still not convinced i agree with you!!! i have played with some good players and alot of little buggers who can nick the ball off you but force doesnt come into it more skill and ankle snapping!!!

I can agree that sometimes the game doesnt reflect the players true attributes!!!
 

mp78

Registered User
But to be honest, you didn't really use the best example of players did you...

Makelele is a strong Midfielder even if he is small in height. He's no Ethiopian 10,000 metre runner when it comes to build, is he?

And comparing anyone with any ounce of strength to Cristiano Ronaldo (of all people) is just silly. Put an eight-year-old on a field with Ronaldo, and get him to make any sort of contact and he'll fall on his arse. And this isn't me with any Ronaldo hate, as I'm a United fan myself. It's just the truth.

Btw, if strength / speed stats are "fucked up!!" as you say, enlighten me on who exactly, and I'll give my own opinions on it.

Don't forget, if you ain't happy with any stat, there's always "Edit" remember.
tr1n1ty - i have a degree in english and my job is a computer engineer, so i dont think i am the stupid one!

Baddar - Yes, you are right, C.Ronaldo did dive alot and still does occasionally, but if you are a Man Utd fan you should realise that over the last season or so, he has learned to use his strength rather than conning the ref.
And as for your opinion on stats , no point really as there are too many to list .

So i will leave it there as baddar and tr1n1ty are the only people i have seen that have replied seeming to think everything is fine with the stats. All the thousands of posts you see from people on this website and others about this issue are clearly wrong and you " 2 " are right
 

Baddar

Registered User
Well, no.

I see thousands of posts from people moaning and complaining about certain things, but you come to expect that from any game.

I didn't doubt that some stats might be inaccurate, I'm just saying that it's never been a problem for me/I've never really noticed it.

Now if you were complaining about a "bug" within the game, I'd see your point of view. That'd be annoying. But it's about stats, something which each and EVERY person who plays PES will have differing opinions on.

I could spend hours looking through players on PES and be like "ZOMFG WHY IS HE ONLY 60 FOR SPEED!!" The beauty of having your own option file is so you can edit it to how you see fit. So again, this isn't really a problem.

If you listed 10 players on here with stats you disagree with, you'll probably find that others will come on here and have different opinions to you.

It's your option file, so do what you like with it. If you're so worried about the player stats being wrong, then take a few hours out of your time to do some editing.

And if you simply "don't have the time to be editing option files," then you shouldn't worry about the game's "faults" so much.

Yes, I realise I'm beginning to sound like a dick, and I'm probably annoying you by seeming to go against everything you're saying. It's not being done purposely, I'm just stating that the problems on strength/speed etc. can be worked around to a certain extent.
 

fick

Registered User
Ok. I'm back, so you can all stop bickering now ;)

I can agree that sometimes the game doesnt reflect the players true attributes!!!

Correct. PES is flawed. Always has been. How someone rates a player is a very personal thing, so there will always be differences.

tr1n1ty - i have a degree in english and my job is a computer engineer, so i dont think i am the stupid one!

Baddar - Yes, you are right, C.Ronaldo did dive alot and still does occasionally, but if you are a Man Utd fan you should realise that over the last season or so, he has learned to use his strength rather than conning the ref.
And as for your opinion on stats , no point really as there are too many to list .

Sorry mate, but Ronaldo is a pussy. A fecking good one, but still a pussy. I've followed the reds for nigh on 30 years & have never known such a weak ass fall over merchant play in the red.

As for the degree and being an IT person... you might be qualified, but it doesn't necessarily make you intelligent. Irrelevant statement regardless.

it's about stats, something which each and EVERY person who plays PES will have differing opinions on.

It's your option file, so do what you like with it. If you're so worried about the player stats being wrong, then take a few hours out of your time to do some editing.

Well put Mr Baddar. Have some blue.
 

tr1n1ty

Registered User
Thank you flick glad ur back!

MP78 i never once called you stupid i just think you didnt read my comment properly and jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Well done on your degree and Job !!
 

barryhayne

Registered User
tr1n1ty - if tall players are usually defenders or goalies, can you explain how if your theory is correct,most of the worlds top strikers are tall - Etoo , Henry , Berbatov , adebayor , fernando torres , adriano , ibrahimovic, just to name a few
e

well, just for the sake of argument : Pele, Puskas, Owen, Maradona(yes, not a striker but still...), Dalglish, Rooney, Eduardo, Beardsley, Keegan, Toto Scillachi (hehe), Gerd Muller, Raul, blah blah blah.....

It aint the size that matters.....: )

And in response to your original point, i think your just shit at pro evo!!!
 

Baddar

Registered User
well, just for the sake of argument : Pele, Puskas, Owen, Maradona(yes, not a striker but still...), Dalglish, Rooney, Eduardo, Beardsley, Keegan, Toto Scillachi (hehe), Gerd Muller, Raul, blah blah blah.....

It aint the size that matters.....: )

And in response to your original point, i think your just shit at pro evo!!!

Great.

Cue the "OMFG I BIN PLYN THIS SINCE I WAS 8!" argument...

Seriously though, I do think it's a case of reading the hints and tips forum rather than posting threads about something the CPU is doing to cheat you out of the game. You'll be better for it.
 

Tech_Skill

Registered User
The thread starter is spot on, one of the best posts ive ever seen on here, this is what i wrote about the 360 version on another forum, this is for the people that play the game on Very Hard/top player, because thats the only level that counts. And by the way the cheating is unreal and games are obviously scripted, its not the fact i lose games, i dont often lose games, its the last min consolation goals or stupendous defending which means every game can end up being a 5-3 or 6-4, its the worst pro of all time by far, heres my opinion of the game, i got it just before it hit the stores btw.

After playing the New Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 and winning the D2 league, D2 Cup, and D1 League in my 1st two seasons of the Master League, this is not sour grapes, this is one of the most painful admissions Ive made in a long time.

PRO EVOLUTION 2008 IS GARBAGE

Ive been playing it since it came out on ps1, and played it before that when it was International Superstar Soccer, i loved this game, it was a big part of my social life, last year i played 14 seasons with Real Madrid and enjoyed everyone of them, but the beautiful game has been ruined. It's time to admit it, Pro evolution soccer should be banned, its nothing like real football, and im gonna list a numbers of reasons why.

-AI: The players are remarkably stupid, they cannot do basic things like stay in their position, or track their markers, move into space. They are just absolute fucking dead weight, making sure they stay in position long enough to stop attacks is similar to working in a care home on the night shift making sure Doris doesn't go to the toilet in her knickers.

-Passing: Sloppier than one of Ainsley Harriot's Ready Steady Cook menu's. The passing in this game is a metaphor for life, yes means no, no means not sure, pass left actually means pass right, pass forwards means pass the ball back to an attacker to give him a free run in on goal and score. Seriously, the game should actually come with a compass the passing is so bad.

-Goalkeepers: Im not saying the disabled shouldn't be allowed to play football, but this is too far. This much fumbling should come with a harassment charge Absolutely shocking, every goal is the same sequence

Shot- Fumble- Tap in for COM striker.

No matter what keeper you have, if there is a shot on target, he will either find a way to knock it precisely to an attacker for the tap in, or he will knock it into his own goal or on a special occasion, the ball with just go through him and into the net

Kits: This bit is awful, in the master league you cant choose the kits for two teams before a match, so the computer will often match you with a team in the same colour kits as you, the result is you find yourself imitating Stevie wonder as trying to find your player in one big homogeneous mess, becomes equal to finding the centre of the toilet after a night on the lash.

Referees: The refs in this game are SO realistic, especially in Serie a. When you play any league, be sure to know your ref has already been paid off by the local Don Corleone, so any decisions like the opposition keeper coming off his line and clattering your striker just before he scores, will not be considered a foul. On the other hand, your defender clipping the legs of midfielder results in a straight red card. Match Fixing anyone?

Corners: 1st of all, the camera angles are so bad, on some corners you cant even see you defenders in the box as you attempt to position them to defend the corner. You end up playing a guessing game. Then if the computer is Lucky enough to let you have more than 3 defenders in the box at one time, dont worry, no matter what you press, they wont jump to head the corner away, they'll stand still so that the COM striker can get in between all of them and fire a tame header at your keeper, the header is so tame, the keeper has no choice but to spill it into his own net. Justice, pro evo style.

Computer Cheating: If you go 1-0 up in the game, the COM will then make some amazing things happen, your defenders cant pass properly, your keeper will try to palm every shot into the path of the most remote attacker. Your players may start getting sent off, looking the the COM players the wrong way = a foul, this all culminates down the final added time, if you are winning, its normally 2/3 minutes of added time in which the COM will score two goals, one will be a corner, the other will be a 40 yard shot, parried by your GK into their attacker. If you are losing the game, dont worry about added time, their wont be any.

There are a few other things, i left out for now, but rest assured, Pro evo 2008 should be banned, its pure unadulterated crap which cannot be called a game. Games are enjoyable, this was like being told you need life threatening surgery.....every day of the week.

Pure shite.
 
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