Fifa's "Next Gen engine", So what !!! Fanboys needed

[Mullet Taylor]

I'm just sick and tired of hearing comments on fifa's " Next Gen " Engine, just because something is newer doesn't mean i'll be playing/liking it. For Example, Counter-Strike:Source. I CANNOT stand it, i still play 1.6 because its the daddy. Similar to this, Source has the looks, whilst 1.6 has the gameplay !

What i would like to know though from people that have played Fifa on Xbox/PS3, is what is the big deal about this next gen business. What is the major differences between Pes's engine and fifa's. I only had the chance to play the Fifa Demo on the PC and im well aware i might aswel watched a turd cook in an oven

I know in Fifa you can play about with a ball during the load screen, that sounds amazing (!) ! but in all honesty, wouldn't making the load time quicker be better ?

I'm aware that the Atmosphere is better than in fifa ( so people say ! )

I know they have fully licenced teams ( so does pes after a nice patch )

So if some fanboy would be good enough to try and convince me to why fifa are " miles ahead " of pes now, i would be greatful. A pal's cousin of mines, Pes all his days has turned, he's a fifa man now and hes actually said to me on msn that fifa is miles ahead and went offline before i could ask how'd he come up with that conclusion...

So here i am :w00t

" if its not broke, don't fix it " Pes's gameplay isnt broke, never has been and never will be, only thing that needs ironing out is odd menu/music here and there. Pes doesnt need this " Next gen " - Or does it:unsure: ?

 

[arsenal6670]

There's always room for improvement. Pro evo just needs to sort out the little things like referees and goalies first, then focus on making the graphics "next gen".

 

[Mullet Taylor]

yeah of course wee updates here and there is needed but what does fifa have to offer that Pes do not have ? apart from the 3 things i mentioned, i've no idea to why some people cream at fifa's " next gen engine "

What makes them think the engine is so special !?!

 

[aoAaron]

FIFA on the PC is terrible.

Just play FIFA 2009 on an XBOX 360 or PS3 for a couple of hours.

 

[Mullet Taylor]

FIFA on the PC is terrible.

Just play FIFA 2009 on an XBOX 360 or PS3 for a couple of hours.

:fplm:i guess you have a degree in stating the obvious!!

I know i cant experience fifa on the pc cause its apparently not the same. I sold my ps3 so i cant play fifa on the PS3, hence me asking people who have

 

[AgentZero]

what about team fortress? now thats the shiznit!

 

[bigdeerush]

mate i've played fifa on the ps3 its shit.. the players look f--k all... and as 4 the game play? (dont make me laugh) fifa will never have the game play that pes has...

 

[Mullet Taylor]

lmao cheers Bigdeerush .. but does anyone else know what makes fifa " next gen " ? whats so different about it ? c'mon ... surely someone can speak on behalf of a fanboy !

 

[3EHUT4UK]

I've played the demo of FIFA 09 on PS3. The game looks okay, but I would not say its a lot better than PES. They look a little different, but I actually prefer the looks of PES. Here I'm talking about the gameplay graphics. The stadium/pitch look better in FIFA. Nets are a lot better in PES. So I'd say it all comes down to a personal preference. I would not say FIFA is miles ahead of PES. It is better in some respect, in some respect it is worse.
In terms of gameplay, of course, PES is way better. Also I dont understand how people call FIFA more of a simulation than PES. I thought if the game plays like a real game of football, then it means simulation, not if all the teams and players are licensed.

 

[shaun7]

^Yeah. It all comes down to what you prefer.
Graphics: both are good. Pes miles ahead in player, fifa has much better looking stadiums
Gameplay: personal preference. But pes seems to play better

 

[Addi10]

I've owned FIFA 09 for about 2 weeks now.

I'll be honest.

It is good.

It has managed to pick up on the minor touches PES has always succeeded with. Little animations, like when a team mate shoots and misses, you see other strikers raising their arms with dissapointment Or if a player gets hacked, you see him open his arms and appeal to the ref. Players will backheel the ball to a free man, or put in a nice dummy for a player behind them.

Along with this, their is greater advancements in the flow of the game. In my opinion, running with the ball and passing, doesn't seem so "blocky", when controlling a ball, the ball might trickle away from the player in motion so he can keep moving with it, and when running, it is good to see the ball not necessarily "stuck" to the player, it seems to be a bit more free.

Another thing, is the new physical engine addition. The size, weight and strength of players all play apart in how they can win the ball, contest for a header, play a pass while staying balanced or being able to shrug off defenders as you take a shot.

The list goes on, but these are the main things which now make it appeal to a wider audience. PES has always had a bunch of the minor details which make a big difference, and FIFA has now implemented a lot of these things. That doesn't make it "next gen", but along with the other improvements in gameplay, it does feel next gen to me.

Don't call me a "FIFA fanboy", I am simply answering the original question as I have been playing FIFA for a couple of weeks now, and feel as if I can comment on it.

EDIT:
Also, I will add, Custom Tactics. These are amazing. In PES, you could always muck around with player positions and a few tactics, but FIFA has really done the deal here. The custom tactics play a HUGE role in how your team performs in the game. There isn't a massive amount of variety, only about 12 different options, but they all effect the gameplay. I would write down a list of all the custom tactic options but my PS3 is off, and I couldnt be bothered.

 

[3EHUT4UK]

I've owned FIFA 09 for about 2 weeks now.

I'll be honest.

It is good.

It has managed to pick up on the minor touches PES has always succeeded with. Little animations, like when a team mate shoots and misses, you see other strikers raising their arms with dissapointment Or if a player gets hacked, you see him open his arms and appeal to the ref. Players will backheel the ball to a free man, or put in a nice dummy for a player behind them.

Along with this, their is greater advancements in the flow of the game. In my opinion, running with the ball and passing, doesn't seem so "blocky", when controlling a ball, the ball might trickle away from the player in motion so he can keep moving with it, and when running, it is good to see the ball not necessarily "stuck" to the player, it seems to be a bit more free.

Another thing, is the new physical engine addition. The size, weight and strength of players all play apart in how they can win the ball, contest for a header, play a pass while staying balanced or being able to shrug off defenders as you take a shot.

The list goes on, but these are the main things which now make it appeal to a wider audience. PES has always had a bunch of the minor details which make a big difference, and FIFA has now implemented a lot of these things. That doesn't make it "next gen", but along with the other improvements in gameplay, it does feel next gen to me.

Don't call me a "FIFA fanboy", I am simply answering the original question as I have been playing FIFA for a couple of weeks now, and feel as if I can comment on it.

EDIT:
Also, I will add, Custom Tactics. These are amazing. In PES, you could always muck around with player positions and a few tactics, but FIFA has really done the deal here. The custom tactics play a HUGE role in how your team performs in the game. There isn't a massive amount of variety, only about 12 different options, but they all effect the gameplay. I would write down a list of all the custom tactic options but my PS3 is off, and I couldnt be bothered.

So the custom tactics acutally have an effect on your teams play? Like can you have all 11 players on your side of the field defending?Say if you are a weaker team playing against really strong side

 

[Addi10]

Yeah pretty much.

I'll buzz the PS3 up now and post it up.

 

[Addi10]

Now, all stats are out of 100 except for a few which I have stated below. When you highlight a tactic it comes up with a description so I will write it all down.

Custom Tactics:

Build Up
Speed - The speed in which attacks are put together
Passing - Affects passing distance and support from team mates.
Positioning (Free Form or Organised) - A teams freedom of movement in the 1st two thirds of the pitch

Chance Creation
Passing - Amount of risk in pass decision & run support.
Crossing - A tendancy/frequency of crossing into the box
Shooting - The frequency of shots taken & follow up
Positioning (Free form or organised) - Affects a teams freedom of movement into the final third of the pitch

Defence
Pressure - Affects how high up the pitch the team will start pressuring
Aggression - Affects the teams approach to tackling the ball possessor.
Team Width - Affects how much the team will shift to the ball side
Defender Line (Cover or Offside Trap) - Affects the shape and strategy of the defence

You can make a number of different tactics, and assign them to your D-Pad directions. So, up might be possession football, with low risk passing, low chance creation, low build up speed etc. Or, you might be going all out for the win, so you switch into your all out attack tactic, with high defensive pressure, fast build up and high chance creation.

It is great.

 

[aoAaron]

:fplm:i guess you have a degree in stating the obvious!!

I know i cant experience fifa on the pc cause its apparently not the same. I sold my ps3 so i cant play fifa on the PS3, hence me asking people who have

I'm trying to stress than FIFA 2009 is a different game to PES. Therefore, playing it for around an hour will not be enough for simple adaptation to the game. Once you get through that period, you'll see how great of a game it is.

To be honest, the player faces on the pitch for PES 2009 DEMO look dodgey. It pisses me off everytime I see Torres's face on PES 2009 because it doesn't look like him at all. On FIFA, the faces are slightly less realistic but look better on the pitch. Some Pitches on FIFA look amazing. The ones on the demo weren't the best representation of the different grass patterns.

In terms of nextgen gameplay, you can look at the collission animations and physics for one. Secondly you can look at the off the ball movement from your players (affected by your custom tactics/run instructions). Also, if you thought PES 2009 Demo's player animations on the pitch were good (e.g. asking to receive a pass), then you'll see FIFA's is more fluid. There are also far less dodgy descisions in FIFA 2009 in terms of last ditch tackles (not because its easy to slide tackle, because its not). The goalkeepers are better than the PES 2009 Demo keepers although I hope the PES 2009 keepers will be better than the Demo keepers. FIFA keepers are easier to beat 1o1. Whether the ammount of times you score 1o1 is realistic can be debated. I do prefer old PES games shootings (although PES 2009 demo's shooting was fairly balooney in terms of longshots). The actual method of passing (i.e. the passing bar) is very very useful when playing. One touch football is absolutley possible if you're a club like spain and the passing bar can help you cut through defenses with general ease. It also gives you much morke freedom on your keeper's throws. Your keeper also releases the ball whenever you tell him to so a reina-style "quick-longball-upto-torres" is absolutley possible.

The problem with decribing the differences on the internet is that most people who ask these kinds of questions are usually already closeminded and have pre-formed opinions (i.e. ignorant). If you want examples of FIFA's advancements in terms of gameplay, you could easy search for a few HQ FIFA gameplay videos. Obviously not the same as playing the game but you can very clearly see on-the-pitch animations well.

Of course, there are many advantages and disadvantages to each game. I'd never say that FIFA is miles ahead of PES... or even ahead simply due to the fact Master League is still the best one-player experience out of the two games.

 

[Addi10]

^ Good post.

 

[El Nino]

Over the last week or so i have been playing pes4 and 5.I wanted to see how the demo compared to these games.And to be honest they both look and feel more realistic than Pes or Fifa 2009.So next-gen my ass.

Try it you will be surprised

 

[Stormrider]

Mainly animations and full 3d faces, etc. Pes faces are not full 3d, they just plaster on a photo but it does a dam fine job and I definitely prefer it to Fifa's way, for now anyways. Maybe a year or 2 later Fifa will have much better faces.

Honestly though neither game is really next gen. Keep in mind that MGS4 only harnessed about 40-50% of the PS3's computing power. We'll see truly next gen gameplay in 2010. Check out the game Heavy Rain. In that game every single action you do will effect the game's outcome. Kill someone and you'll get a different ending. If you die the game will still continue on and yup you'll get a different ending. The graphics also make everything you've seen so far look like weaksauce. Today the term next gen is thrown about far too easily. Every game I've seen or played so far doesn't play much different than PS2 games, just much shinier graphics.

p.s. what would make a footy game next gen IMO? If a player falls awkwardly they could get injured. If they suffer a horrendous tackle when running at full speed they could break a leg and you could see it! Yummy. Players could get concussions for head clashes and there would be the possiblity of seeing blood trickle down their heads. Something that Seabass himself wants, the impact of choosing the right captain would have on your team. Stuff like that. The PS3 is definitely capable but we'll have to wait for the developers to reach that stage. Even playing Pes 3, it is not all too different from Pes 2009 or Fifa 09. Sure it looks like crap now but it fundamentally plays the same. Nothing revolutionary from either game to deserve the term next gen, but it's what I've expected with any console in its early years.

 

[Deano685]

Between fifa 09 game and pro evo demo

mate i've played fifa on the ps3 its shit.. the players look f--k all... and as 4 the game play? (dont make me laugh) fifa will never have the game play that pes has...

can u honestly say u prefer the pro evo demo to the fifa game on ps3 or xbox 360.

cos if u can i think all these arguemnts are stupid cos its what u like ina football hame. and i think that pes 2009 is just a reli shuit version of last yrs which i loved. but this yrs fifa is fantastic

 

[shaun7]

You liked pes 08? WTH? That was not a good pes. This year it's much and much better.