reading this was rather interesting.
First of all to all the posters saying 'if you stand up for this game you deserve a slap in the face' and any comments along those lines. Grow up. Its a game, if you dont like it, dont play it and trade it in. You're welcome to your opinion but telling people what to think is immature and childish.
Secondly in my overall opinion i think pes is improving in some ways year by year. In other ways it is let down and yes everygame has its upsides and downsides. Imo i thought pes2008 was better then pes6 and well pes2010 better then them both. The game as a whole has good graphics, highly enjoyable and well laid out. There are some downsides mainly with the ai and well that for me at times can get frustrating with the poor ai teams, refs etc but it doesnt stop the enjoyment of the game.
I have also played fifa 2009 and 2010. I find both of them inferior to pes, with fifa just touching up the game each year and keeping the 'if it aint broke dont fix it' style. I chose pes cos it played better, if i wanted a game which was the 'brand' and had all the teams with official kits and stadiums etc i would choose fifa.
I think konami can take one or two ideas from fifa, ie the referees and the decisions in fifa are well done, playing advantage, not giving free kicks when you sneeze at a player etc etc and also i find taking corners easier on fifa
and to cg: Atleast act with some respect and maturity and not regress down to a child namecalling and negative comments about users. As a whole this thread has valid points but your desire to piss off everyone who likes the game by being immature lessens your comments imo
friendly debate and discussion about how good or bad the game is useful but atleast try keep it on topic and not aim abuse at certain members