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GTA: San Andreas

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razor said:
bigger is better. it can never be too big. just think are u going to get bored playing this. no way. bigger in gta just means more to do. i think this game could possibly last over 100 hours. that is great. it is on e of the reasons why i love RPG's cause they are long and hate adventure games cause they are short.

anyone reckon you would have to fill up petrol in your cars?

Nah i cant see it happening! It would involve having to put a petrol bar in and it will kinda waste the screen space coz it can't have tons of stuff bars and indicators.
 

Gary G

Registered User
razor said:
anyone reckon you would have to fill up petrol in your cars?

That would be canny like, petrol stations are included in San Andreas so maybe they will be used to good effect.

I'm well impressed with the countryside element, Rockstar have certainly done their research
 

mutu

Betting Guru
What if there was just one extra bar up top and you could flick through so it was like Petrol - Need to Pee* - Hunger - etc, and say by pressing i dunno l1 and l2 or whatever you can scroll through them

Oh and it wont be in SA but good idea though the petrol thing

*If you pee your pants no chick or gangmember is gona think thats fly and peeps will cross the street to avoid your funky smell - copyright mutus idea 2004
 

razor

Registered User
a german magazine has been released. it has some new screenshots and some new info

- The twelve small towns often consist of only two junctions and a few buildings, featuring a liquor store, bakery, pottery and much more.
- When flying, the radar map changes and shows a horizon, so orientation is easier.
- Realistic truck trailer physics.
- You can swim, dive, find oxygen bottles, and more.
- You can start your own gang and get your own gang weapons and cars.
- You can train your muscles to become stronger.

Three countryside missions:


In the 1st mission CJ has to help his buddy, who is hunted by a motorbike gang and needs a diversionary maneuver. So Carl races trough the forest in a jeep, with the gang after him - since they assume the victim is in the car. CJ has to stop them from destroying the doors to keep it a secret. As soon as you pass the checkpoint race your cellphone rings - your buddy is safe, and you get the $400 reward.

The 2nd mission starts at a trailer park. CJ is blackmailed into killing an important witness, who hides in a hut on Mt. Chiliad. Carl arrives there with a Sanchez, first killing two FBI agents and then the witness. Since the blackmailer wants to see evidence, CJ takes a photo of the corpse, and drives back to the trailer park.

For the 3rd mission in the demonstration, Rockstar used a cheat to spawn a Dodo to save time (claiming that using a car would have taken them 15 minutes), and lands near a small hut in the forest. There the gas station mission starts, where CJ and the yet unknown girl try to steal the tanker.

They also wrote that the PS2 lagged during their presentation, but they hope R* get this fixed in the remaining months, as well as a few boring and stretched countryside textures.











the map is only the magazines impression it isnt the actual map.

here is the list of alleged tracks for stoneman:

Salt'n'Pepa - Push it
Vanilla Ice - Ice Ice Baby
Inner Circle - Bad Boys
KLF - 3am Eternal
Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy
Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit
Jane's Addiction - Been Caught Stealing
Poison - Every Rose Has It's Thorn
Guns'n'Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine
Smashing Pumpkins - Today
NWA - **** Tha Police / 100 Miles And Runnnin'
Snoop Doggy Dogg - Gin N'Juice / Ain't No Fun
Warren G - Regulate
Fugees - Killing Me Softly
Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise
Public Enemy - Rebel Without A Pause
The Stone Roses - Fools Gold
Happy Mondays - Step On
The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony
Radiohead - Creep


According to their record label, Death Row Records, some music in San Andreas will be provided by Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre. This information appears to be official, since it is on the official site of these artists, but as of yet, we've had nothing confirmed by Rockstar themselves.

We have three songs from our catalog appearing on the upcoming Rockstar Games release "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas". The songs that will be playing while you jack cars, recruit gang members, and make drug deals are "Let Me Ride", "Nuthin' But A G Thang", and "Gin & Juice".
--- Death Row Records, Official Website

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the information has been removed from the Death Row Records website. This may be due to contractural reasons, with Rockstar, or even because it was a blatant lie. We'll probably only find out when the game is released and the reviews are rolling in. i think rockstar may have told them to take it off cause they wan to keep the music a secret.


Both PSM Italy and PlayStation2 Magazine were released in Italy this week. The articles were trasnlated by Alessio of GTA-Series and God of Gta of GTANetwork. Here are some clips that may interest you:


Rockstar programmers told us that maybe in the final game we can change tattoos or clotes on CJ.

All game's pedestrians have a "brain" and they react more actively respect the past GTA's, with more animations.

Dan Houser [co-founder of Rockstar Games] says that he cannot find any way to complete the game in less than 150 hours.

The dimensions are enormous. Keep in mind that just Los Santos is as big as the entire play area of Vice City and it is just ¼ of the dimension of the map of San Andreas. Between the three centers, there is also the famous ?countryside?, which we didn?t see and weren?t told anything about except that the visual profundity, in the pastoral region, will be four times that seen before.


Electronic Gaming Magazine September (out sometime soon) is doing a three page article with new info and an interview with Jeff Casteneda. Some new info leaked is:

-Three confirmed hairstyles include "dripping Jheri curls, a fashionable Afro and a towering flattop."

-"Sparks, parts and pedestrians fly, motorcycle police lose control and cling to the trunk of your car and politicians find plenty of reason to cry foul when a ludicrously low-flying helicopter purees a cop." Whether this means that a political figure will play in a role in the game (Congressman Alex Shrub from Vice City) is yet to be confirmed.

-When Jeff Casteneda was asked about Carl Johnson's involvement with a woman in the game, Mr. Casteneda said, "we know something we won't tell."

-When Mr. Casteneda was asked if Dave Chappelle will lend his voice to Carl Johnson's character, he said, "that certainly would be cool."
 

Ryder Style

The Star Player
ok another slightly tweaked confirmation list for you guys :)

Confirmation List

General Information
The new Grand Theft Auto game will be known as Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.
The new GTA game will be Sony PlayStation2 Exclusive.

The Official Game Description from Rockstar Games:
Five years ago Carl Johnson escaped from the pressures of life in Los Santos, San Andreas... a city tearing itself apart with gang trouble, drugs and corruption. Where filmstars and millionaires do their best to avoid the dealers and gangbangers.
Now, it's the early 90s. Carl's got to go home. His mother has been murdered, his family has fallen apart and his childhood friends are all heading towards disaster. On his return to the neighborhood, a couple of corrupt cops frame him for homicide. CJ is forced on a journey that takes him across the entire state of San Andreas, to save his family and to take control of the streets.


The game will be based around "Recent Films" relating to the Californian gangster theme.

The GTA style innuendo's will return, bigger and better than before.

The game will use a Dual-Layer DVD because Rockstar have already filled up a full DVD disk!

The game should take the average player no less than 150 hours to complete.


Release Dates
USA and Surrounding NTSC Areas: October 19th, 2004
UK and Europe: October 22nd, 2004
Australia: October 28th, 2004


Characters
[Carl Johnson] - The main character and the gangster who the player will control.

[Sweet Johnson] - Carl's brother and part of the Orange Grove Families Gang.

Kendl Johnson - Carl's sister. Not much is known about her as of yet but she is always arguing with Sweet.

[Smoke] - A family friend of the Johnson's who also takes his place in the Orange Grove Families Gang.

[Ryder] - Another friend of Carl and member of the Orange Grove Families Gang.

[Old Reece] - Carl's Barber. The guy who will be in charge of giving you all of your wacky hair styles.

Eddie Pulaski - One of the corrupt cops who frame Carl for homicide and make his life difficult.

Frank Tenpenny - The other corrupt cop who is always getting on Carl's back.

[Cesar] - A mysterious Latino character armed with a .45 and a body full of tattoos.

[LSPD] - The guys who'll be constantly on your tail when you break the law in Los Santos.

Mysterious Cabin Woman - A girl from a previous GTA re-appears as Carl's

Accomplice... possibly Catalina.


Gangs
[Orange Grove Families] - Carl Johnson's gang who the player will move with throughout the game.

[The Ballas] - A rival gang of the Orange Grove Families.

The Flats - Another rival gang


The City / Map

The state of San Andreas is made up of the cities; Los Angeles, San Francisco and Las Vegas.

The three cities from above will be named Los Santos, San Fierro, and Las Venturas in the game.

Each city is the same size as Vice City.

The entire game will be about Four to Six times bigger than Vice City.

San Fierro will contain hills and will be more driving based.

You can drive from Los Santos, through the countryside, up a mountain and into San Fierro, then onto Las Venturas.

Driving through the desert will be vibrant and alive with weird things to see.

There will be tumble-weed in the desert.

The game will contain photographs and digital images as textures.

There will be Lakes, a Mountain, Farms and Fields plus more in the countryside.

The map is so big players will get lost frequently.


Buildings / Places


There will be a lot more buildings with open interiors.

The only loading times in the game will be a short pause when you enter buildings!

There will be places in GTA San Andreas called the following:
[Los Santos]
San Fierro
Las Venturas
[Well Stacked Pizza]
[Tuff Nut Donuts]
[St. Brutus Motel]
[Reece's Hair Facial Studio]
[Mount Chiliad]
Angel Pine
Dillamore
[Vinewood]
[Gasso Gas Station]
Pay N' Spray
Orange Grove is the name of the area where Carl and his gang will live.
The Mountain, Mt. Chiliad, Is the biggest single object in the game.
There are tunnels and lots of foliage on the mountain.
There is a Liquor Store, Bakers, Single Screen Cinema and a Trailer Park in Angel Pine.
Dillamore contains a Gas Station.


Graphics
The graphics engine has been tweaked.

Smog will be present in Los Santos, and real-time reflections on cars, windows, and mirrors, as well as new techniques like radial lighting, which allows for more realistic
shadowing, and soft-shadow lighting for interior levels will be present.

Everything in the game now has independent models for day and night to give better lighting and shadowing.

Shadows can be used to hide yourself, to help pick off unsuspecting enemies.

Real sunlight is simulated, and shadows are placed where they would really be.

There are different sets of lighting for day and night which helps create a more realistic feel.

Weather effects have been added to.

There are various things to do and places to see in the countryside, such as farms which keeps the game feeling alive.

Vehicles will accumulate dirt and rust as you play through the game.

The HUD will be similar to that of GTA3 and Vice City.

There will not be as many 'pop-up' items while the player is moving throughout the game.

Trees will be rendered as a group from distance, but rendered separately as the player gets closer. This allows a much bigger draw distance.

The Draw Distance in the countryside is 4 times better than that in Vice City.

You will start to see clouds when you reach a certain altitude on Mt. Chiliad.

The foliage in the countryside is only drawn when the player can see it which keeps the game feeling vibrant and alive, but also maintains a steady framerate.


Game Play
The game will have rag-doll physics, or “Impact Animation” in Rockstars words.

In the Las Venturas city, you will be able to buy and build a casino and then run it you can then gamble your money in the casino.

You need to eat to retain your stamina. If you eat too much fast food, you become fat and pedestrians mock you for being fat. You also run slower and vehicles move slower. Beating certain missions is almost impossible unless you're in the right physical shape. To remedy this, you can go to a gym to exercise.

You can now rob homes. The robberies will require skill and planning, however.
You can recruit gang members and use them to do four person drive-by’s.

Being a Gang Member only makes up about 15% of the total game.

Carl Johnson can visit Old Reece (The Barber) and get his hair cut into numerous different styles which the player can decide. Pedestrians and characters will make remarks on your hair, depending if it looks cool or un-cool.

Carl and the Orange Grove Families can take over areas and generate money from them. This is just one of the many things which can add to the replay value even after the game has been 'completed'.

Swimming is now a part of the game, if you drive a vehicle into the water, you have two choices, climb out of the window and swim to shore, or stay in the car and sink, where you will have a certain amount of underwater stamina. Swimming will also be involved in some missions.

There are parts of the game where you will work as a gang, and parts where you will work alone.

The game is now very non-linear, and depending what choices are made, it will be rare for 2 players to have the same type of game. The missions will be the same, but so much can change depending on choices you make.

There will be In-Breds and Degenerates in the Countryside and some missions will reflect the contrast between the towny and the country people.

Characters have more bones which results in numerous different facial expressions.

There are now many more ways to complete missions. You could run straight in shooting, or sneak through the shadows and pick off the enemies one by one.

When the player only has one wanted star, hiding in the shadows should be enough to throw police off your trail.

The player must tap the X button on the bike in order to pedal faster.

The camera will automatically zoom behind the player at the touch of a button and
the player then has the ability to freely target using the analogue stick. The auto-target will still be a part of the game though.

The game will take at least three times longer to complete than Vice City.

The longer the player holds down the R1 button, the more chance there is of getting a headshot on an enemy.

Unlike previous GTA Games, the players stats actually change the way 'their Carl' will behave. If a player drives around on a bike a lot, they will be a good bike driver in the game, but won't be as good at driving a car.

The player may have the possibility to change clothes or get tattoos in the game.
Three confirmed hairstyles include "dripping Jheri curls, a fashionable Afro and a towering flattop."


Weapons
Your character can [Dual Wield] pistols, sub machine guns and potentially other weapons.

The choice of weapons will match the weapons of the early 90's.
So far we have seen:
[Colt. 45]
[Ingram Mac 10]
[Uzi 9mm]
[Spas 12 Gauge Shotgun]
[Chrome Shotgun]
[M-16 Assault Rifle]
[AK-47]
You will have an accuracy meter at the top left of the screen, and the more enemies
you hit, the better your accuracy will become.

The crosshairs which are aimed at people will change colour depending on how much health the enemy has. Green will symbolise almost full health, yellow represents half health, and red shows the character is almost dead.


Vehicles
There will be 90’s versions of some GTA3 / VC cars.

The following vehicles will most likely be in the game (probably under different names):
[BMX Bicycle]
[Greenwood]
[Bobcat]
[Gang Truck]
[Lowrider]
[Manana]
[Pick Up Truck]
[Police Helicopter]
[Police Motorbike]
[LSPD Cop Car]
[Sentinel]
[Sports Car]
[Sabre]
[Sanchez]
[Virgo]
[Walton]
[Hatchback]
[Monster Truck]
[Combine Harvester]
[Gas Tanker]
[4 x 4 Jeep]
[Linerunner]
[Quad Bike]

Some vehicles are made specifically for the countryside, while others are for the streets of the city.

It is possible to attach and detach the trailer on the back of large trucks.

The Monster Truck does not have a hand brake, but rather the ability to switch to 4x4 steering mode, which gives the vehicle an extremely small turning circle which is great for navigating through the trees in the country side.

Players will have to be very careful when driving the Gas Tanker as it will Jack-Knife very easily.


Artificial Intelligence
Enemy / pedestrian AI will be greatly revamped and they will think more logically. You can't beat someone to death in broad daylight and not have people notice and react.
Your enemies will be smarter, which will make robbing houses take a lot of skill.


Music
There will be a rap station, but there will be a variety of other stations as always.

There will be three times the amount of licensed music than in Vice City.



again ill keep updating the confirmation list as more news comes through
 

Gary G

Registered User
razor said:
Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy
The Stone Roses - Fools Gold
Happy Mondays - Step On
The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony
Radiohead - Creep

:p

I certainly hope these songs are included, they're all top class
 

-=[101st]=-

Super 14 Champions 2006
well done jack:bluebirds:jack for compiling that extensive list.. i just read through it and fook me.. it looks awesome...
 

mutu

Betting Guru
Gary G said:
:p

I certainly hope these songs are included, they're all top class

No they're bollocks and were suggested in a magazine I dunno why he posted those (It's in OPSM2)
They might appear by fluke but don't take it for granted that they'll be there
 

Ryder Style

The Star Player
-=[101st]=- said:
well done jack:bluebirds:jack for compiling that extensive list.. i just read through it and fook me.. it looks awesome...

no worries, like i said ill keep updating it. cant wait for this game.

its out on the same day as PES4, if everyone had to choose between the 2 what would you do???

i would buy PES4 if i had to pick
 

Ryder Style

The Star Player
lol mutu your sig is funny... an exact copy of my driv3r game.

no come on PES4 is gonna be class, ill play it much more than gta, even though GTA is awesome 2 :D
 

razor

Registered User
mutu said:
No they're bollocks and were suggested in a magazine I dunno why he posted those (It's in OPSM2)
They might appear by fluke but don't take it for granted that they'll be there


i said it was a rumoured list.


anyway there is some more new info which has been translated from the german magazine.

Carl can attack enemies from behind, after hiding and sneaking through the shadows.
- Carl's ability to swim and the length of time he can stay underwater for depends on his fitness and how often he practices swimming.
- Members of The Orange Grove Families wear green clothes.
- The Ballas gang members wear purple clothes.
- Models will include up to 50% more polygons than Vice City.
- Bicycles will move forward when the X button is held down, but tapping it will make the player travel faster.
- Carl can roll to the side during combat on the press of a button.
- Players can now pivot the camera around the car, in order to gain a better view.
- A choice of haircuts are available, from shaven/bald heads to 'Afro' style cuts.
- Players choose new hairstyles, but choices of beards and other facial hair will be at their disposal.
 

GE

Registered User
Nice Pictures Razor, i can't wait for this game....

WHOA !!! 5591 Post Since my last Visit :eek:
 

Spike

Registered User
mutu said:
What if there was just one extra bar up top and you could flick through so it was like Petrol - Need to Pee* - Hunger - etc, and say by pressing i dunno l1 and l2 or whatever you can scroll through them

Oh and it wont be in SA but good idea though the petrol thing

*If you pee your pants no chick or gangmember is gona think thats fly and peeps will cross the street to avoid your funky smell - copyright mutus idea 2004

Copyright "The Sims" 1999-2000 :p
 

razor

Registered User
We learned long ago that Carl will be able to and will need to eat in GTA : San Andreas. Gamespot put that feature into much more detail today though, describing several things. Some people might have thought that there will only be a few places to eat throughout the state. That is not true though, not only will there be a lot of places, but also a lot of variety. ?Cluckin? Bell? is a resturant that will offer chicken based products. If the players don?t feel like eating chicken, they can stop by ?Burger Shot? to eat some burgers. To order and pay for food, the players need to stand in a red circle next to the counter. This is probably very similar to Vice Cities pink circles.

Along with the places to eat at, Gamespot also mentioned some more of CJ?s physical features. If he eats too much food in a short span of time, he will vomit. You can view how fat Carl gets in the screenshots below. They also mentioned that just because CJ might be thin, doesn?t mean he is in shape and physically fit. Sometimes players need to take Carl to the weight room and work out.

Here are the new screenshots with a massive thanks to DigitalD from GTASanAn.com for the un-watermarked versions.










 

razor

Registered User
Earlier today, Gamespot declared that the news posted on July 20 about Death Row Records confirming Snoop Dogg and Dr Dre are to play a role in the soundtrack of San Andreas as "Not Bogus" in its weekly 'Rumour Control' feature.


What we heard: Although the post was taken down within hours, it was picked up by several other sources, including Death Row fan site thuglifearmy.com and the official UK PlayStation Web site. Given that the game draws heavily from 1990s 'hood movies, the fact that it would have musical accompaniment from tha G-Funk era was a foregone conclusion. But getting some of the biggest hits of the gangsta-rap genre shows how great the stature of the Grand Theft Auto franchise has become.
Bogus or not bogus?: Not bogus. Now all GTA: SA needs is some N.W.A.


some more info on the food system

New information:
-- Three franchise restaurants are to be included: Burger Shot, Well Stacked Pizza and Cluckin Bell, a Mr. Whoopee ice cream stand, as well as the Sprunk Soda brand beverage which was in Vice City.

-- A message will pop up onscreen when Carl becomes hungry. Players who ignore this message will see CJ's bodyfat reduce, with the effect of his clothes no longer fitting properly. Skininess won't just have a visual effect either, a thin Carl will be weak, unable to throw powerful punches, lift heavy boxes and will lack stamina, meaning cycling, running and swimming become difficult.

-- Conversely, eating too much will see Carl become fat, with similar effects of loss of stamina, poor fighting abilities (due to slow response times AND CJ becoming a larger object to hit). Interestingly, the walking animation will change, to a penguin style 'waddle' due to CJ's inability to put his hands by his sides while in this state.
 
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