How do You Defend Against AI "Cheating?"

[youkos]

hi
anyone experiencing problems when playing against Liverpool ?
That s quite funny wen I play with them I always draw or a 1 goal loss or win , look s like all of my forwards forgot how to shoot.
I play on "top payer"

 

[Capt Canuck]

Best way to defend against it?
Never ever ever give up a corner or give up a free kick inside of 35 yds. Simple isn't it? LOL. The amount of goals the AI scores from set pieces vs open play is ridiculous.
That said, if every team doesn't morph into the best set piece squad in the world when you play them, where would the AI get their goals from?

 

[Zorac1979]

Best way to defend against it?
Never ever ever give up a corner or give up a free kick inside of 35 yds. Simple isn't it? LOL. The amount of goals the AI scores from set pieces vs open play is ridiculous.
That said, if every team doesn't morph into the best set piece squad in the world when you play them, where would the AI get their goals from?

Yeh that's true that's where the AI gets 95% of there goals from. It's better now than it was when the game first launched due to the patch in 1.0.2 i think it was but it's still a pain as defending corners is a toss of a coin.

I have often noticed it I'm 1-0 up there will be 4-5 mins stoppage times but if I'm 1-0 down there will be 0-1 min. Ofc is I'm running away with it it's kinda of random but that happens a lot if im losing by the odd goal, I don't seem to get a decent amount of added on time.

 

[Amateur]

Thanks for all of your help guys (especially iamcanadianeh) .

I have decided to drop skill level down from top player. I've played a few games now and it's challenging without being ridiculous. I think as well (after calming down) I just might not be as responsive on the buttons as I once was. Some people are saying the game is too easy o maybe they just have way better reaction times than me. I find the professional level (I think that's the one below top player?) mre my level. I've lost games on professional but the "cheating" has decreased. The CPU has scored probably 85% of goals that seemed fair or where it didn't appear my players etc were being manipulated. On top player for me, the percentage of good CPU goals was about 30%.

I agree that its odd on counter attacking strategy that the defenders push up. I thought this was just my imagination, but I guess others have noticed.

Yup I think Ihave to face it that perhaps I'm just not as good on this game as I used to be and the AI manipulation on top player has out smarted me. I'll keep going on professional for now as the game is more enjoyable on this level.

I know how to play against AI cheating, but I think the most important point that most people ignore is: is it fun to play the game?

In my opinion, it is not fun to play....

The AI cheating does not make sense anymore, Konami tried to make the game smarter without fixing the old fundamental flaws, and as a result we now have a ridiculous video game.

The passing system does not make sense and does not click-in with the rest of the game, as a result, the video game as a complete package does not make sense; this is what happens when you try to make money on a yearly basis by tweaking the same video game but without actually fixing the fundamental core flaws.

No problem.

You weren't out of line though in your comments about cheating. I think there's definitely something to be said for the AI cheating argument since so many people have commented on it. It's not a coincidence. However, there are some people who simply find the game way too easy and rarely, if ever, experience anything they would call cheating. On the other had, I don't agree with the conspiracy theorists who think the AI actually cheats because it can't stand losing.

The sad thing though is that neither party is truly happy. I'm part of the group who find it too easy and, essentially, wish there was more "cheating" but what I really wish for is the PES of old where the higher diffiulty levels presented a realistic challenge, without anything resembling cheating. Unfortunately we just don't have that right now, so I strive for achieving balance by manipulating the tactics, but at the end of the day the AI is just not quite right. I think 99% of the PES fans out there would agree with that, whether they believe in cheating or not.

This is why I always question these arguments about how Konami needs to redesign PES entirely. What I really want isn't a brand new way to play the game, but a really well executed version of what we have now, just like the classics were in their time. I don't think that's too much to ask, but achieving that would probably actually be more difficult than for Konami to go back to the drawing board and create a new engine, new ways of playing, etc. It may seem easy to say from our perspective, but I think achieving the right balanace with the AI is easier said than done. One thing is for certain though is that they need more difficulty levels.

I am one of the players who thinks the game is too easy when playing against the computer, and I think more AI cheating would make it more boring: CHEATING is the key word here.

CHEATING is boring, it's not more intelligent AI, it's more CHEATING AI.... Therefore I do not believe more CHEATING will make PES11 a more enjoyable and challenging experience.

The AI CHEATING makes the game unplayable when I play against another user, that's when you realize that the game cannot be more challenging on the basis of more cheating.

The game needs fundamental changes, not superficial tweaks like the last patch that fucked up the game further.

The AI CHEATS because it needs to cheat in order for the video game to be playable, you cannot fix this fundamental flaw by tweaking how much the AI will cheat, you can only fix this by making fundamental changes to the game.

Anyways, that's my two cents on it.

 

[S-D-P]

Like Amateur said there needs to be some fundamental changes rather than balancing acts and hight pressure to make the game harder.
My best advice would be..

- Turn your pressure down to 10-12, this will make your team keep shape and stop some of the laser guided through balls.
- Avoid using sprint and just concentrate on cutting down the passing lanes.

If this fails obliterate the AI with sickening tackles.

 

[Zorac1979]

Like many of you have said there are changes that need to be made, I just hope that Konami doesn't wipe the slate clean and start again....ermm...again, they do that to much. Pes 2011 is much better than 2010 and leaps and bounds better than 08 and 09, the main base is there in this instalment and although it need tweaking heavily, it doesn't need an overhaul

 

[qasim]

I play top player by the way - forgot that bit

is it just me or that when you score a goal theres a 60 percent chance your opponent may get a quick goal after the restart:shocking:

 

[Ali]

is it just me or that when you score a goal theres a 60 percent chance your opponent may get a quick goal after the restart:shocking:

More like 80% :laugh:

 

[Ali]

is it just me or that when you score a goal theres a 60 percent chance your opponent may get a quick goal after the restart:shocking:

EDIT: Double post

 

[5LLoD]

just wipe them
by that I mean press O and make a foul
that's the only way
and what make me more angry is the stupid OFFSIDES !!!

 

[Capt Canuck]

is it just me or that when you score a goal theres a 60 percent chance your opponent may get a quick goal after the restart:shocking:

That is utter rubbish :realmad:
I ain't to smart and forgot about that, until just after they've scored on me :blush:

 

[alp-pacino]

So here's the deal I'm 2 - 1 up against liverpool lsat game of the season and there's 2 points between.with my team being top us pre-match its around the 75th minute and I make a good cross liverpools keeper comes out of the box grabs the ball!!! Where's my bloody freekick! He should have been sent off aswell not only adding salt and acid to my seething wounds the keeper blasts the ball directly into my 6 yard box where bloody babel heads the ball my keeper is too busy taking macro shots of each blade of grass around his area .. 2-2 .. I'm still leading all I need to do is hold on or score.... For the next 15 minutes I endured an onslaught of relentless attacks my strongest players heycory with 96 body balance loses possession to a mr.bean figure like lucas, who's body balance I checked afterwards was rated at 74 its amazing what happens when you drink redbull, anyway I survive to the 87th minute i hold the ball well for possession I'm in the corner holding off 2 players I get tackled time is now 89 minutes I see the red board 1 minute extra time I defend with precision tomecak slides against gerrard with 100% accuracy the ball flies away tomecak gets up and lightly barges gerry..... Freekick, gerrard shoots bounces off the wall I head the ball out lucas smashes the ball, nuer deflects with a brilliant jump the ball is heading for a corner the times 92 minutes gerrard crosses nuer jumps up punches the ball.....INTO HIS OWN FUCKIN NET I lose the match as ref blows after kickoff and I lose the league, I also lost a controller and almost a gf for screaming and shouting racial slurs against my keeper.. It still burns me to this day