"I don't like PES'09" Hate it? Well let us know here and only here.

[unclefredo]

also just too add fucking adriano when in his lifetime has he beenn able to shoot with that power from acute angles and get every shot on target

I'm glad you brought this up. Unless they've ramped him up in the new game (I don't know, I'm in Canada so have only played the PES2009 demo to death), they don't have him like that anymore. I remember in PES7, he was ridiculous. I think Seabass and his crew saw his amazing form for about 4 months, where he did score some crazy goals with some power, and based him on that. I agree totally. He was waaaay too good. However, he was average at best in PES2008 and I'm hoping that's not changed in 09. Personally I edited him that year, because he was frightening good at shooting.

 

[TIGERS_FAN]

There's no doubt that is a pretty cool addition, in terms of a feature. However, to me, that doesn't really matter so much.

However, it isn't free is it? I hear you have to subscribe per league or something. It is a fantastic idea but this is exactly the reason why I prefer PES to FIFA. PES have always promised solid gameplay over frills and glitter. To me, this is just another way of EA trying to make cash out of the public. You've already forked out £40 for the game, why any more?

It's a fantastic idea and I wish PES has something similar but i'll take PES's gameplay over FIFA's gameplay anyday, as that's what I judge things on. For realism of the modern game, in terms of licenses and likenesses, FIFA kicks PES firmly into touch - no question.

no you dont have to pay, and it matters to me lol look at my hull city!!! there the best team on fifa now!
it is a cool idea it makes you think of who to be and gets rid of the problem of playing inter and barce all the time
i hope konami incorperate some sort of squad stat update in there planned updates
just so i can play with hull online and stand a chance lmao

 

[TIGERS_FAN]

I'm glad you brought this up. Unless they've ramped him up in the new game (I don't know, I'm in Canada so have only played the PES2009 demo to death), they don't have him like that anymore. I remember in PES7, he was ridiculous. I think Seabass and his crew saw his amazing form for about 4 months, where he did score some crazy goals with some power, and based him on that. I agree totally. He was waaaay too good. However, he was average at best in PES2008 and I'm hoping that's not changed in 09. Personally I edited him that year, because he was frightening good at shooting.

he was unstopable on 2008
i just added that comment because i came off a game on 2009 online where i was 5-1 up he brings adriano on, who scores 3 goals to have my arse squeaking? youve guessed it adriano all from outside the box from crazy angles at rocket speed
i stilll won but at the time i was having a good ol' rant

 

[batigolfin]

Damm this is shitty game..I waited this game so long and hope that it would be great but after extra long weekend with PES 2009 I have to say that fucking KONAMI you owe me 60€...I never even dreamed that this game could suck this bad..I believed too much of these writers here like this idiot liverpool fan and other blind PES fans who can't really see how KONAMI is screwing them..Every time when I play this game (Just played few games) I hope it gets better but every time i get piss of more..

Mayby it's your parents money or you are just watching game with too thick PES glasses..Over and out this game sucks bad!

 

[unclefredo]

no you dont have to pay, and it matters to me lol look at my hull city!!! there the best team on fifa now!
it is a cool idea it makes you think of who to be and gets rid of the problem of playing inter and barce all the time
i hope konami incorperate some sort of squad stat update in there planned updates
just so i can play with hull online and stand a chance lmao

Are you sure it's not a free trial? I'm pretty sure you have to pay.

Also, I hear you can choose to turn it on/off online which is going to cause a bit of a calamity because like you say, at the moment, you would turn it on for your magical Hull, but I fear when you're not doing so good, you may turn it off. That's not really fair.

It is a great idea though mate, I'm not dissing it. Personally though, I want to play the game against my peers, and I still find the PES gameplay the most enjoyable. I do wish it had a similar service, and all the likenesses, but to me - what's under the hood is the most important.

Each to their own.

 

[hazey5786]

Are you sure it's not a free trial? I'm pretty sure you have to pay.

Also, I hear you can choose to turn it on/off online which is going to cause a bit of a calamity because like you say, at the moment, you would turn it on for your magical Hull, but I fear when you're not doing so good, you may turn it off. That's not really fair.

It is a great idea though mate, I'm not dissing it. Personally though, I want to play the game against my peers, and I still find the PES gameplay the most enjoyable. I do wish it had a similar service, and all the likenesses, but to me - what's under the hood is the most important.

Each to their own.

you get one league of your choice free
the rest you can buy for a small price of summet like 20 quid which is really good value for how many leagues, teams an players it updates for you.
if you turn it off the team goes back to its default stats, so thers no cheating or calamity ther

i'm not bigging fifa up, i'm bigging the service up, which to me is a joy and a benchmark for pes to incorporate in future releases

 

[unclefredo]

Damm this is shitty game..I waited this game so long and hope that it would be great but after extra long weekend with PES 2009 I have to say that fucking KONAMI you owe me 60€...I never even dreamed that this game could suck this bad..I believed too much of these writers here like this idiot liverpool fan and other blind PES fans who can't really see how KONAMI is screwing them..Every time when I play this game (Just played few games) I hope it gets better but every time i get piss of more..

Mayby it's your parents money or you are just watching game with too thick PES glasses..Over and out this game sucks bad!

Sorry, Konami owe you nothing. Stop being so dramatic. If you don't like it, trade it in or get a refund. Lets be honest, all games companies are screwing us.

Also, wait, you've had an extra long weekend but have only played a few games? Doesn't really make sense does it...

 

[TIGERS_FAN]

Are you sure it's not a free trial? I'm pretty sure you have to pay.

Also, I hear you can choose to turn it on/off online which is going to cause a bit of a calamity because like you say, at the moment, you would turn it on for your magical Hull, but I fear when you're not doing so good, you may turn it off. That's not really fair.

It is a great idea though mate, I'm not dissing it. Personally though, I want to play the game against my peers, and I still find the PES gameplay the most enjoyable. I do wish it had a similar service, and all the likenesses, but to me - what's under the hood is the most important.

Each to their own.

no you dont ahve to pay at all you get the league you want for free
and you cant turn it on and off online because it checks for updates evrytime you log in

i too agree that PES offers the greatest gameplay wise offline but it still has those flaws online which nudges fifa infront online wise

 

[hazey5786]

Sorry, Konami owe you nothing. Stop being so dramatic. If you don't like it, trade it in or get a refund. Lets be honest, all games companies are screwing us.

Also, wait, you've had an extra long weekend but have only played a few games? Doesn't really make sense does it...

think he means he's just played a few games before his post

i agree with him tho, the game feels more like a patch that they should have released soon after last years effort

 

[unclefredo]

you get one league of your choice free
the rest you can buy for a small price of summet like 20 quid which is really good value for how many leagues, teams an players it updates for you.
if you turn it off the team goes back to its default stats, so thers no cheating or calamity ther

i'm not bigging fifa up, i'm bigging the service up, which to me is a joy and a benchmark for pes to incorporate in future releases

Personally, I do not think £20 is a reasonable amount to pay but hey, I've wasted much more money in much worse ways.

I know you can turn it off, but I hear you can use it online. So what's to stop a game of Tottenham vs Hull going pear shaped. Obviously this is going to throw up all sorts because the Tottenham player will turn his off, the Hull player will turn it on. Also, what if the poor Hull player doesn't have it? I could be wrong. You're right though, if you're playing like-for-like, it's a pretty good feature, I just think I wouldn't pay for it. Like perhaps, they should have quarterly updates for say £3 as an option because personally, if Shola Ameobi scores 2 goals, it certainly doesn't make him a good player... and I certainly wouldn't want that reflected. However God only knows how these EA 'experts' do their analysis.

Cool concept though, no doubt.

 

[oseedo]

i don't know nothing about FIFA 09, so i won't comment on it.

but what i do know is pes2009, the game 2008 with more options. i think if you take out the lag in pes2008 and give it 2009's options its a better game i'm sorry.

my players intercept my passes!! the defenders reactions are awful, they keep running out of position it's like i got no control.

shooting and passing is poor, i'm sorry it's either hit or miss, and players take a millenium to shoot and pass.

and they do these fake sharp turns at a ridiculous angle my players always seem to get baffled by it. so i do it now, and you can still run through teams.

the AL is crap it keeps interfering with my game play. players make stupid runs, or they don't run.

if you think this game is great your blinded. i've played pes from since snes so if you try to tell me i'm talking shit, you must be licking the sweat between konami's ass.

konami has to improve i've been too loyal, but i'm seriously thinking of withdrawing my support.

 

[unclefredo]

think he means he's just played a few games before his post

i agree with him tho, the game feels more like a patch that they should have released soon after last years effort

Hazey,

You can't be serious?! PES has it's flaws but you can't just rehaul the ball physics engine and all the player models, not to mention the numerous other things in a patch. The patch would be a new release of the game. I'm involved in software development & IT as my job and alot of work has gone into PES.

I think both FIFA and PES are just better versions of last year's game. It's as simple as that. People are expecting the world with each new release, and it's not gonna happen like that. Great games take time and are not release yearly.

Examples

GTA
Half Life
Zelda
Mario
Quake

etc

FIFA is winning the battle of publicity. Konami have never plugged Pro Evo like they should. Look at the FIFA ad! It's about 10 mins long, sandwiched in between half-time on a Super Sunday with Rooney as the main sponsor. Joe "Football Fan" Public is going to buy into FIFA everytime. It's not hard to see that. EA know exactly what they're doing with regards to marketing. Konami don't have a clue

 

[hazey5786]

Personally, I do not think £20 is a reasonable amount to pay but hey, I've wasted much more money in much worse ways.

I know you can turn it off, but I hear you can use it online. So what's to stop a game of Tottenham vs Hull going pear shaped. Obviously this is going to throw up all sorts because the Tottenham player will turn his off, the Hull player will turn it on. Also, what if the poor Hull player doesn't have it? I could be wrong. You're right though, if you're playing like-for-like, it's a pretty good feature, I just think I wouldn't pay for it. Like perhaps, they should have quarterly updates for say £3 as an option because personally, if Shola Ameobi scores 2 goals, it certainly doesn't make him a good player... and I certainly wouldn't want that reflected. However God only knows how these EA 'experts' do their analysis.

Cool concept though, no doubt.

i think your missing the point of how it works, its slightly hard to explain unless you have the game, everyone has it, the game updates world transfers for free everytime you log in, the thing you have the choice of having is that it updates the players stats for the leauge of your choice, also if a player gets banned or injured in real life they are in the game, so it keeps it even
it really is good and puts an end to people choosing the same teams over and over

 

[hazey5786]

Hazey,

You can't be serious?! PES has it's flaws but you can't just rehaul the ball physics engine and all the player models, not to mention the numerous other things in a patch. The patch would be a new release of the game. I'm involved in software development & IT as my job and alot of work has gone into PES.

I think both FIFA and PES are just better versions of last year's game. It's as simple as that. People are expecting the world with each new release, and it's not gonna happen like that. Great games take time and are not release yearly.

Examples

GTA
Half Life
Zelda
Mario
Quake

etc

FIFA is winning the battle of publicity. Konami have never plugged Pro Evo like they should. Look at the FIFA ad! It's about 10 mins long, sandwiched in between half-time on a Super Sunday with Rooney as the main sponsor. Joe "Football Fan" Public is going to buy into FIFA everytime. It's not hard to see that. EA know exactly what they're doing with regards to marketing. Konami don't have a clue

your making konami sound like an indie company lmao
i too know what i'm on about, i'm not gonna go into my background, EA are doing what any other company do, its obvs ther gonna advertise ther game at them slots, and the thing they are advertising is a major new thing in online football gaming, plus its nothing new with EA they've been doing it years so konami have had ther chance. plus dont make out that konami are a little company, yes they are smaller than EA, but EA is small to konami in the east wer EA is bigger in the west

as for adverst tho, pro evo have a lengthy ad out also

as for it being not like a patch, mate have you seen what guys like you and me can do theses days with modding, take unreal tornamount as a perfect example, wer talking about programmers at konami with years of experience

 

[unclefredo]

i think your missing the point of how it works, its slightly hard to explain unless you have the game, everyone has it, the game updates world transfers for free everytime you log in, the thing you have the choice of having is that it updates the players stats for the leauge of your choice, also if a player gets banned or injured in real life they are in the game, so it keeps it even
it really is good and puts an end to people choosing the same teams over and over

Fair play, I didn't think it did the free update. PES should definetely implement the player transfers - it wouldn't even be that hard to do. As for the statto thing, I would be annoyed at the charge but yeh, it's definetly a good thing to reflect the current state of football. This is what annoys me about PES, they do tend to ignore the simple things. For example, why did they leave the diving in? In my whole time on PES2008, I never managed to get a foul out of a dive. They should've gotten rid of it. Total waste of time, as hilarious as it was.

For the update, all they would need was a weekly patch to keep transfers accurate. Simple. That could then replace the default player/team roster so as to not overwrite any user edits.

Apologies

 

[unclefredo]

as for it being not like a patch, mate have you seen what guys like you and me can do theses days with modding, take unreal tornamount as a perfect example, wer talking about programmers at konami with years of experience

Yeah, but modding is a totally different type of programming. Modding is mainly scripting, which is built in the game engine.

I used to do alot of Quake 2 modding (showing my age) but it was great and had the API to do so. PC's aside, consoles are so rigid and there's not a hell of alot we can do with them, and I'm not sure console developers have become accustomed to making changed to console games, unless they are bug fixes as was shown last year.

I don't doubt they could've done some of the things via a patch, but the overhaul of the physics engine was huge. I think that's where Konami's main effort has gone actually.

I think the reason these harsh comparisons are being made is because FIFA have concentrated on adding finishing touches and new features (the Adidas Live) for instance. Konami have heavily invested in an overhaul of the ball physics and the player modelling, and to some extent the CL and BEL mode. FIFA is by far the more polished all-round product. In a way, FIFA, i think have played it safe and built on what they know works whereas Konami have taken a huge risk because essentially PES players are having to relearn the game (from what I saw in the demo) due to the changed engine. I was very frustrated when I first played the demo, but after about 50 goes, I started to like it and realise that perhaps it's paying off.

I've definetely had my pissed off moments with 09 so far, and generally, it does take me a month to warm to the any new evo. I must confess though, I can see why many people are upset. I would just say, give it a very long chance.

 

[The Messiah]

They haven't changed the engine. It's still the same one they used for the PS2.

 

[unclefredo]

They haven't changed the engine. It's still the same one they used for the PS2.

Sorry, I mean the ball physics, not the game engine. Love the Robocop picture though. Amazing

 

[smegulator]

Can someone reassure me that pes 2009 gets better the more you play?!

I've played about 15 games so far and it just doesnt feel right yet...feels scrappy no matter how hard i try to play nice football.

As for option files, that's all well and good for you lucky ps3 and £1000 pc owners but the camera is next to useless for xbox.

 

[smegulator]

Only thing KONAMI should do is sack the 7yr old girl who does the artwork and presentation! (oh, and get rid of mark larwrenson and his dumb attempts at humour!)