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Letter To Konami

S-D-P

Registered User
Yeah but sayings something scripted, and truly understanding that statement, are totally different things

I do understand that statement mate otherwise i wouldnt have opened my mouth, I see what you mean though. It is to easy to sometimes mistake things for scripting or bitch about and use it as an excuse for being shit at the game. I played fifa and pro so much now that i know when something is scripted in my favour or not in my favour, this happens rarely but you can distinguish between the two. Seabass implemented this idea years ago.
 

Amateur

Registered User
I think that unless people have an in depth knowledge of scripting ,and can prove it with qualifications, or hard evidence, then nobody should comment on scripting, because well, they dont know what they're talking about

Well, I know for a FACT that there is scripting to some point.

Meaning that I realize when the COM is pulling all sorts of strings just to level with me.. I still end up winning 99.9% of the time. But I can see that it is "scripted" to a certain extent.

This has always been there, Seabass confirmed this himself.. but thing is that now in PES09 it is much more clear and less subtle than it was back in PES6. Which is even more annoying and less realistic, and less addictive.

As it was translated, Seabass said something about some "momentum shifts" that have been implemented into the game to go against you, in order to make it a better challenge.

If they could manage to have some Stats and other factors "dictating" those "momentum shifts".. that would be great, cause it happens in real life.
 

Dale C.

Registered User
Well, I know for a FACT that there is scripting to some point.

This has always been there, Seabass confirmed this himself.. but thing is that now in PES09 it is much more clear and less subtle than it was back in PES6. Which is even more annoying and less realistic.

Yeah I think its well established that theres scripting in this game, but all I'm saying is that People need to understand the difference between saying

"oh this games scripted change it"

to actually giving suggestions on how to script the game to make it better....This is a letter to konami remember, you cant just say "this games scripted, its crap, change it" Otherwise they wont even look twice, ya get me?
 

S-D-P

Registered User
Yeah I think its well established that theres scripting in this game, but all I'm saying is that People need to understand the difference between saying

"oh this games scripted change it"

to actually giving suggestions on how to script the game to make it better....This is a letter to konami remember, you cant just say "this games scripted, its crap, change it" Otherwise they wont even look twice, ya get me?

no one has said that, the scripting is obvious with repeated play
 

Dale C.

Registered User
Yes they have, even seabass himself said the game was scripted:erm:

but anyway, for risk of ruining dudes topic, thats all I have to say on the matter.
 

S-D-P

Registered User
Yes they have, even seabass himself said the game was scripted:erm:

but anyway, for risk of ruining dudes topic, thats all I have to say on the matter.

he did say that before the release of pes 4. This style of scripting wasn't so bad then as it was much more about the flow of a match.
 

jenicek68

Registered User
We have to make some compromise in the solution.. Can we generaly agree that Scripting should have less affect on the game, but should not be completely deleted?
 

Amateur

Registered User
Yeah I think its well established that theres scripting in this game, but all I'm saying is that People need to understand the difference between saying

"oh this games scripted change it"

to actually giving suggestions on how to script the game to make it better....This is a letter to konami remember, you cant just say "this games scripted, its crap, change it" Otherwise they wont even look twice, ya get me?

Completely agree about that.. I've been giving a suggestion of mine for some time now. Hopefully Konami gets to read some of it, maybe implement something similar.

But yea, moaning endlessly isn't going to help anyone, as well as it is blatantly boring IMO. I like to hear suggestions and ideas, which is something that unfortunately not many people bother with.
 

S-D-P

Registered User
We have to make some compromise in the solution.. Can we generaly agree that Scripting should have less affect on the game, but should not be completely deleted?

in an ideal world it would be totally eradicated but yes i agree with that. It should just really effect the flow of a match slightly
 

jenicek68

Registered User
Completely agree about that.. I've been giving a suggestion of mine for some time now. Hopefully Konami gets to read some of it, maybe implement something similar.

But yea, moaning endlessly isn't going to help anyone, as well as it is blatantly boring IMO. I like to hear suggestions and ideas, which is something that unfortunately not many people bother with.

They might, but they might not.. It should be better to repeat some points of your solution, but mind it should be easy to make and you just cut whole thing in bits and go truth point by point.. I would like to hear some solution which can be described in few points, so konami can use it as a guide..
 

Amateur

Registered User
We have to make some compromise in the solution.. Can we generaly agree that Scripting should have less affect on the game, but should not be completely deleted?

Exactly!! it's as simple as, it happens in real life BUT Konami's Concept is Biased and lacks plenty of Substance. Konami needs to implement it more realistically into the game, that means an Unbiased Concept that can work off some Stats and everything else going on in the pitch.

But of course, I'm sure you've heard enough of it from me.
 

Amateur

Registered User
They might, but they might not.. It should be better to repeat some points of your solution, but mind it should be easy to make and you just cut whole thing in bits and go truth point by point.. I would like to hear some solution which can be described in few points, so konami can use it as a guide..

It is IMPOSSIBLE, as simple as.

Good ideas, good suggestions, need elaboration. Otherwise it'll be a mere guideline.

The momentum of a match is a complicated thing, it depends on a lot of different factors, it changes continually, it cannot be summed up with just a few words.
 

jenicek68

Registered User
Well Generaly we agree that it should less affect the game.. Which is good compromise.. I will close this point now..


New point for conversation is the 1.1. PHYSICS

Any suggestions?
 

jenicek68

Registered User
Alone CFC> Ball physics, player weight, crushing to each other, net etc.


Question: Are you happy with Scripting of PES or you prefare our compromise?
 

Dale C.

Registered User
Why on earth would konami listen to that?

oh my lord man, jenice, nice idea n everything, but maybe you should put together the letter yourself
 
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