did you actually play the previous games?, the stadiums on pes2 have miles more detail and the graphics sharper, and the players looked better, you can tell they have turned down the detail to fit in the improved animation in pes4, it looks like they have pushed the ps2 to its max, its a better game to play but it doesn't look better. You mention "lightning" I personaly think its shite, it makes them look like they have grey hair, it doesn't improve the look at all. Anyway the pc version will be the best, and easier to patch