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Amateur - I'm genuinely getting bored with your wall of texts. If you don't like the game don't buy it and seriously just fuck off lol.
It's a computer game, end of... nothing is ever manual in a game because it's ALWAYS scripted, you take the script away and guess what... You have NO game at all.
It's quite unbelievable isn't it? Who could have predicted that the producers of PES5 and PES6, would ever produce arcade-bullshit such as PES12 and PES13?
I cannot stress this enough.... PES13.... manual shooting.... Since when is it manual, to direct the shot towards the north-east, and instead of watching the shot go towards the north-east corner of the goal posts, you see the shot literally end up in the north-east corner flag?
That's not manual, not even remotely close. And the same thing goes for the so-called "manual passing", the ball travels at snail pace, and to make it worst, passing the ball with zero COM assistance is arguably just as assisted as passing the ball with full COM assistance.
PES is a fucking joke, it's sad, but that's the truth for anyone who cares to see it.
Why do People let things get to them so much ?, at the end of the day it's a game.
You have two choices either play pes for what it is and enjoy it rather than looking for the negatives, or just don't buy it as it clearly won't satisfy your needs.
There is ofcourse another option which WILL be taken up by some.
For me pes ticks all the right boxes even though it still does not get everything right.
[MENTION=155123]Amateur[/MENTION] I think you might want to go back and play PES6 again because it wasn't such a 'sim' as you think it was.
At the end of the day it's a game and if you don't enjoy it don't play it. I think this PES is very enjoyable personally.
Manual passing is amazing here for me, can place some lovely little reverse through balls that tear the defence apart.
Manual shooting is more difficult to master, especially from range. But with practice and finesse with slight adjustment to the analog stick, then you can be blasting them in reasonably regularly
It looks like pes won't be much different from last year and most issues that plagued the series still remain, now I can only hope fifa 13 will be a vast improvement over fifa 12, otherwise another year with mediocre soccer games that are not worthy of buying.
It looks like pes won't be much different from last year and most issues that plagued the series still remain, now I can only hope fifa 13 will be a vast improvement over fifa 12, otherwise another year with mediocre soccer games that are not worthy of buying.
It looks like pes won't be much different from last year and most issues that plagued the series still remain, now I can only hope fifa 13 will be a vast improvement over fifa 12, otherwise another year with mediocre soccer games that are not worthy of buying.
Manual passing is amazing here for me, can place some lovely little reverse through balls that tear the defence apart.
Manual shooting is more difficult to master, especially from range. But with practice and finesse with slight adjustment to the analog stick, then you can be blasting them in reasonably regularly
*Take the emphasis off ridiculous skill runs that are far too easy
*enable more varied passing (perhaps through better off the ball)
*Force stamina to be more influential to stop people from spamming ridiculous pressure for 90 minutes
*The refereeing in 12 is the worst in any football game I have played. Fix it.
*Just generally make the game more organic. It is the robotic nature of FIFAs 10-12 that have made me look back on PES 4-6 with misty eyes and despair at PES's downfall.
--- I will say, quite a few of these problems look like they will be sorted. Now the question remains, will the inevitable raft of new problems be dealbreakers, and will EA have managed to turn FIFA into a game that actually requires a brain, rather than ridiculous pressure/finesse shot spamming to win.
*Take the emphasis off ridiculous skill runs that are far too easy
*enable more varied passing (perhaps through better off the ball)
*Force stamina to be more influential to stop people from spamming ridiculous pressure for 90 minutes
*The refereeing in 12 is the worst in any football game I have played. Fix it.
*Just generally make the game more organic. It is the robotic nature of FIFAs 10-12 that have made me look back on PES 4-6 with misty eyes and despair at PES's downfall.
--- I will say, quite a few of these problems look like they will be sorted. Now the question remains, will the inevitable raft of new problems be dealbreakers, and will EA have managed to turn FIFA into a game that actually requires a brain, rather than ridiculous pressure/finesse shot spamming to win.
Yes there are some "improvements" but lets be honest, pes doesn't need "improvements", it needs a huge revamp completely from the inside out, now of course that won't happen on this gen, but still, this gen pes suffers from some major flaws and problems that should have at least be corrected in these last few years and yet there are still present in pes 2013, hence the small improvements from 2012 are not nearly enough for me to buy the game.
Il just give you 1 example, people have been complaining about the game forcing you to do stuff for YEARS now, and yet KONAMI did nothing to fix that issue that could be fixed quite easily.
Im not a game creator, and there are tons of video games that can laugh at pes.
Honestly just take a look at some sports video games and their depth and realism, take nba2k for example, the game feels so realistic, so deep, so accurate and yet so fun and completely free.
Then you look at pes and you see a mediocre game that has bugs and issues that forces the player and fights it and you just can't but feel sad.
I really never can understand how some of you can be actually satisfied with this mediocre thing, I really can't. You just need to look at the development of some games and how they progress to realize how slowly pes is progressing and how so many issues are still not fixed after many years.
If so many ppl would not be satisfied with this mediocre product pes would probably be already better by now.
Now the only hope is that next year the new engine will be completely different and much better.
I believe Amateur's claims about Manual shooting is correct and is something pretty stupid to integrate if there isn't a 'semi-assisted' system where you aim North East and it goes there proportionate to the goal, not the whole bloody pitch. The goal is so small compared to the right stick in ratio that its just luck if you aim to the corner. There is no advantage to this shooting system, in manual ofcourse. Thats the only worry at the mo in gameplay but it shouldn't really be a problem since I play on assisted shooting but feel sorry to those who use manual
Manual shooting is not difficult, any person who dedicates a little time, will master the system. Please, stop pretending that you are good at something difficult, it's not fucking difficult.
The system is simply not good, it doesn't take enough factors into consideration: about 95% of the range of movement of the left analog stick, will see the ball going to the stands....
Why, if I am looking straight at goal (the goal posts are positioned towards the east), and I direct the left analog stick towards the north-east, the ball ends up in the north-east corner flag?
Because only about a 5% of the range of movement of the left analog stick, actually affects the "manual shot", which added to the super quick power bar and added to the super quick body positioning animation that precedes the actual shot, means that the so-called "manual shot" is indeed a fucking sad system.
If I could use, at the very least, about 50% of the range of movement of the left analog stick.... and by 50% of the range of movement of the left analog sick, I mean, that if the goal posts are towards the east, range of movement between north, north-east, east, south-east, south, will all produce shots on target, as opposed to shots that end up in the far corners of the pitch. That would be manual enough to justify the "manual" selling point.
But when you can only, effectively use about 5% of the range of movement of the left analog stick, in order to determine the "manual shot" without the necessity of affecting the direction in which the ball carrier is running: that's not manual, not even remotely close, to being a manual system.
Or are you gullible enough, to believe that a passing system, where you can barely adjust the bend behind the shot, where you can barely adjust the power behind the shot, where you can barely adjust the actual body-positioning animation that precedes the actual shot, is a manual system?
Maybe, instead of saying that I should practice more: maybe, just maybe, you should understand that I might be just as good as you at the game, but that unlike you, I do not enjoy the game, because unlike you, I clearly cannot ignore the obvious flaws that ruin the experience for me. Maybe, instead of blaming a person for not knowing how to play the game (when in fact you have never seen how I play the game), you should blame the actual blame, that's what I do, and that's why I think your claim is bullshit.
And hey, I'm not saying that people who can genuinely enjoy PES13 are dumb or have bad taste, opinions are opinions after all, but please don't refute a fact (and insult me in the process) just because you can live with it.
firstly i never said i am amazing at manual or that the system is perfect, i only said you are bad.
secondly, you ARE bad. anyone who plays manual shooting at instead of hitting the goals corner hits the cornar flag is BAD terrible aim by YOU.
also i again disagree with your passing claims. i play with L2 taped down so its full manual all the time and i find passing pretty awesome and consistent with the power bar. (the stupid need to tape down a button is a different discussion altogether)
oh and by the way it isnt fair or helpful at all to just say 'meh, either buy it or dont'.... i think we all want pes to be a great game but since the game will have faults and shortcomings of some sort (there is no perfect game) we should always voice our concerns.... using that logic why even discuss the game at all, just close down all forums and buy your game yearly and get on with it... and thats obviously a stupid idea.
[MENTION=155123]Amateur[/MENTION] I think you might want to go back and play PES6 again because it wasn't such a 'sim' as you think it was.
At the end of the day it's a game and if you don't enjoy it don't play it. I think this PES is very enjoyable personally.
I get what you're saying, and of course PES6 will not look like a "sim" seeing how it was based on an eight directional button, I'm not arguing that, but I do still think that PES6 was more sophisticated: animations, graphics, player individuality, the overall feel of the game, were all very respectable if you consider the time.
Can't say the same about PES13, the graphics are below average in my opinion (comparing with other games), and the animations are simply bad, it simply feels like a very unfinished product to me, which wasn't the case at all with PES5 and PES6.
Though I admit, that I've been thinking about revisiting PES6, just for the sake of refreshing my memory.
At the end of the day (as you mentioned), it's just a video game, if you genuinely enjoy it you should buy it, though personally, I kind of feel betrayed by this series, to be honest.
I believe Amateur's claims about Manual shooting is correct and is something pretty stupid to integrate if there isn't a 'semi-assisted' system where you aim North East and it goes there proportionate to the goal, not the whole bloody pitch. The goal is so small compared to the right stick in ratio that its just luck if you aim to the corner. There is no advantage to this shooting system, in manual ofcourse. Thats the only worry at the mo in gameplay but it shouldn't really be a problem since I play on assisted shooting but feel sorry to those who use manual
A system where the left analog stick simultaneously determines both the direction of the shot and the direction of movement, cannot be manual, as simple as that.
I agree about assisted shooting, it makes much more sense, than playing with a "manual shot" that forces you to direct the left analog stick towards a very very specific direction, that is, if you want to score a goal; however, if like me, you are testing just how "manual" this system really is, and you decide to direct the left analog stick towards the north-east, just to see how much variety and depth the "manual shot" offers, and surprise surprise, the ball ends up in the north-east corner flag: no, that's not terrible aiming on your part, that's just an absurd system that fails to do what it should.
Anyone who truly thinks that the so-called "manual shot" is actually manual, doesn't understand the first thing about video games.
Amateur - I'm genuinely getting bored with your wall of texts. If you don't like the game don't buy it and seriously just fuck off lol.
It's a computer game, end of... nothing is ever manual in a game because it's ALWAYS scripted, you take the script away and guess what... You have NO game at all.
In other words, if I have supported the franchise through all the shit games that we've seen this gen, and PES13 was the last piss take, I should just fuck off because pussy cunts like yourself cannot read any objective criticism about their precious video game?
For the record, I know it is a fucking "computer game" you fucking moron, that's precisely why I complain in the first place, because a fucking computer is capable of something much better than the D-PAD arcade that PES13 is.
By the way, about -- "nothing is ever manual because it's always scripted" -- you clearly do not read anything that I write do you? I specifically said,
PES is scripted in precisely the area where it should not be scripted, and PES is "manual" in precisely the areas that do not require any skill.
The direction of off the ball movement when defending: needs to be less manual, more scripted, more like an RPG game. It's quite stupid to have manual control over off the ball movement when you can see the damn game from the perspective of a spectator.
The COM pressure button when defending: needs to be less manual, more scripted, more like an RPG game.
The R2 + short passing button defensive stance: should be automatically determined by the computer whenever the ball carrier gets close enough to any defender.
The standing tackle: needs to be as manual as possible, with direction and timing being crucial, and with the player individuality affecting the response times of different type of defenders.
The speed at which the ball carrier runs with the ball should be 90% scripted (it already is anyways), reducing speed should be 90% scripted (it currently is 100% manual), whereas the direction of dribbling and the direction of tackling should be 100% manual.
The actual dribble: needs to be as manual as possible, with direction, distance, and timing, being crucial, and with player individuality being equally crucial but without overriding the actual ability of the gamer.
The R2 slow dribble is not necessary, it is something that should be completely determined by the computer; reducing speed, in most cases should be determined by the computer, with only a few scenarios forcing your input; COM pressing should not require your input as a player; you should not need to hold the R2 button + press and hold the short passing button simply to trigger an animation that the computer should trigger automatically whenever the ball carrier gets close enough to the defender; "manual" passing should be possible without the necessity of holding the L2 button, etc, etc.
As a result of having more control over dribbling and tackling, it would be necessary for other aspects (that are currently "manual") to be almost completely scripted. In fact, many aspects of dribbling itself, would need to be scripted to a great extent (in order to give you more control over dribbling), but the important point, is that ability would be far more important than statistics yet without undermining the importance of the stats; player individuality? Three times better due to obvious reasons.
At the end of the day, in order to have more control over the game, many aspects that are currently manual will need to be completely scripted, and the aspects that are currently completely scripted need to be fully manual, that's what I think we will see when the PS4 comes out. But it's a shame we haven't seen anything similar to that in this gen of consoles, because the PS3 can handle that.
Did you catch that or is that wall of text too long for your liking?
I specifically said, that a lot of things that are currently manual need to be completely scripted, and that what is currently scripted needs to be fully manual. Read before you fucking criticize.
Oh and I almost forgot.... I genuinely couldn't give two flying fucks about how boring you might find me, I would tell you to fuck off, but it seems you're already there anyways.
