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PES Rage Thread: Rage till your heart's content...

Ultimate777

Banned
The only reasonable explaination Ali is that you are crap at PES, and have a very small penis.

This is 95% of peoples problem who complain about ''ai cheating'' and ''jesus passes''. They don't know how to defend they expect the game to do it all for them and expect to win every match without conceding.

The majority here want to play like barcalona without mastering the game first. What that means is understanding when it is possible to pass,dribble and shoot. Along with knowing when to change strageties depending how the game is played out and taking into account the oppositions formation.

These things you have to understand in pes11 because it's not pick up and play. This is why you have these kids with missing brain cells preferring pes10 over 11 because the former is pick up play and abuse where you don't have to think. A game that's on rails where you have all the time in the world to place shots from inside and outside the box, pressure galore without thinking and dribble from the half way line with decent players behaving like maradonna.
 

Ali

It is happening again
The only reasonable explaination Ali is that you are crap at PES,

I think my record would prove otherwise. Something like 155 wins, 50 draws and 23 defeats. So there :tongue:

Football777 - I know I could have beaten him, but sometimes it is hard to defend against the cheap tactics. I could tell from the first goal that I was going to get nothing from the game. Are you arguing against the AI cheating and cheap tactics again?? Because you KNOW Amateur and Tech_Skill will be on to you!

and have a very small penis.

Well, that may be true, but I don't see how that's relevant to this topic. :laugh:
 

Ultimate777

Banned
Football777 - I know I could have beaten him, but sometimes it is hard to defend against the cheap tactics. I could tell from the first goal that I was going to get nothing from the game. Are you arguing against the AI cheating and cheap tactics again?? Because you KNOW Amateur and Tech_Skill will be on to you!
:

Yeah I am. Now bring the hate mail , bring it motherfuckers!!
 

Amateur

Registered User
This is 95% of peoples problem who complain about ''ai cheating'' and ''jesus passes''. They don't know how to defend they expect the game to do it all for them and expect to win every match without conceding.

The majority here want to play like barcalona without mastering the game first. What that means is understanding when it is possible to pass,dribble and shoot. Along with knowing when to change strageties depending how the game is played out and taking into account the oppositions formation.

These things you have to understand in pes11 because it's not pick up and play. This is why you have these kids with missing brain cells preferring pes10 over 11 because the former is pick up play and abuse where you don't have to think. A game that's on rails where you have all the time in the world to place shots from inside and outside the box, pressure galore without thinking and dribble from the half way line with decent players behaving like maradonna.

Well I think that your 95% argument is ridiculous, you are looking for flaws in the people that play the game rather than accepting the fact that a lot of people whom are very good at the game simply do not like the game because they do not think it is a good video game.

I don't have a problem playing PES11, I just do not like it enough to call it an improvement and I certainly do not think it requires a lot of ability.

Using players like Lio Messi should be more rewarding, in PES10 it is boring and unrewarding because it is too easy and outdated, in PES11 it's just boring because the execution is very sensitive and yet very inaccurate: it is a pretentious video game for pretentious people, in my opinion.

Though obviously, a lot of people who do know that it is a pretentious video game will still enjoy the game for what it is.

In my experience, PES11 was very much a pick up and play experience, I got the hang of it right away, there's nothing new about it as far as I'm concerned.

Changing the game after years of not changing the game, is not an actual improvement if the game remains the same at its core; at the end of the day, PES11 is still pick up and play due to the fact that it feels like FIFA.

I do not pay $60 for a product just to look for reasons to criticize the product, it is entertainment and I payed to be entertained by it, but at the end of the day it was just very underwhelming.

I do not think PES11 is a massive improvement over PES10. I think Konami and EA Sports are doing the same exact thing, which leaves us with two mediocre video games.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
Well I think that your 95% argument is ridiculous, you are looking for flaws in the people that play the game rather than accepting the fact that a lot of people whom are very good at the game simply do not like the game because they do not think it is a good video game.

No, it's only ridiculous to you because I'm not complaining about the game but placing empahisis on the the players themselves. I mean we have guys like you that watch the trailer with their notepad in their hands looking for flaws in the game before it's even released. Then you get hold of the game play it for 3 days which gives you enough time to produce a first impression to come on here and moan about all the things you can't do and what you feel should be in the game before throwing it out.

Then the other end of the spectrum we have guys who give the game a fair trial, play ml and they find out the ai actually scores goals against them compared to pes10 where they didn't attack but had every team ping pong the ball in centre midfield and not finishing off chances in the final third so there wasn't any real challenge.

Now instead of appreciating that the game or ai is more dangerous and manages to finds ways to get past your defence they cry like babies ''oh the computer cheats it's not fair I conceded five goals when I was five nil up. Konami are trying to make money they're bad evil men'' Well thats your shit defence to blame not the game. You need to realise the gamer has to take responsibility too instead of just blaming the game. There has to be balance when reviewing. It's not konami's fault if you can't win it just means you're shit and need to improve where the game allows you to.


I don't have a problem playing PES11, I just do not like it enough to call it an improvement and I certainly do not think it requires a lot of ability.

So you want to ignore the improved passing? Improved player movement where players are no longer on rails? you want to dismiss the variety of dribbling options which now requires skill instead of just moving the d-pad in another direction? Aswell as online mode where to thEere is considerable less lag than last years? Come on think about it. Take a step back from your hate towards the game and for once write something that's objective.

Using players like Lio Messi should be more rewarding, in PES10 it is boring and unrewarding because it is too easy and outdated, in PES11 it's just boring because the execution is very sensitive and yet very inaccurate: it is a pretentious video game for pretentious people, in my opinion.

Wtf, a while back you were saying there was no sensitivity in players dribbling on 2011 now your saying it's too sensitive. You should be happy it's sensitive because it means the game is more reactive to your commands. But nothing will make you happy, if it wasn't sensitive you'd argue that the game was unresponsive and too heavy with some exaggeration added in. Lets be honest here, You have no consistency in your arguments because you really don't know what you don't like about the game but instead ring out your favourite sound bite phrases of the game being ''outdated'' ''simplistic'' and now ''pretentious'' :laugh: You said the same exact things last year when we were discussing pes2010 and it will be the same next with 2012. You even went on a tangent about your 20 minute concept that you thought was going to revolutionise gaming that you thought up in your basement, until I had to come in and explain to you how dumb and unpractical it was.

Though obviously, a lot of people who do know that it is a pretentious video game will still enjoy the game for what it is.

Explain to me how the game is pretentious? I never saw konami advertise saying that it's a real life stimulation where you'll be able to mimic every movment from the players breath, smile and voice. Konami never told you you'll be able to do whatever and everything you want. it's advertised as a video game to enjoy based on football. If you like it play it if you don't, fuck off and move on

In my experience, PES11 was very much a pick up and play experience, I got the hang of it right away, there's nothing new about it as far as I'm concerned.

Really? When I say pick up and play I don't mean literally as you can apply it every game. I mean anyone playing pes11 would hnave to get use to the new passing system first in being able to measure the passing and get a feel of the game rhythm as it's not an arcade button fest game that has no depth. You'll be lying if you told me you got used to the passing system immediately considering its a new concept


Changing the game after years of not changing the game, is not an actual improvement if the game remains the same at its core; at the end of the day, PES11 is still pick up and play due to the fact that it feels like FIFA.

I'd agree that it's taken too long for them to pull their fingers out of their arse after selling us minor changes in the last few years but you can't deny the game has improved considerably over 10 albeit still left with numerous flaws though any game on the market isn't perfect. This is something you need to accept but you still have this idea that konami should make the game how you amateur wants and expects it to be

PES11 and fifa are two completely different games there are similarities in regards to the button configurations and modes but actual gameplay at core provide two completely different experiences. One satisfying and rewarding, another hollow and damp.


I do not pay $60 for a product just to look for reasons to criticize the product, it is entertainment and I payed to be entertained by it, but at the end of the day it was just very underwhelming.

I think you did. You're only lying to yourself if you believe otherwise. You're sole purpose is to get hold of the game as soon as it comes out play it all day and night for a few days so you can write down your notes on microsoft document of all the flaws and can't do's in the game so you can copy and paste on here to ram down everyone's throat on how they should abandon the game because you've judged it inadequate. You feel your on a mission to recruit as many members to follow in your dismay towards the game and join you on your whining ''life's not fair'' crusade until time immemorial

I do not think PES11 is a massive improvement over PES10. I think Konami and EA Sports are doing the same exact thing, which leaves us with two mediocre video games.

In ''your'' opinion it leaves us with two mediocre video games.
 

muscularmatt

Registered User
This is 95% of peoples problem who complain about ''ai cheating'' and ''jesus passes''. They don't know how to defend they expect the game to do it all for them and expect to win every match without conceding.

Yeah obviously I was joking at Ali, but it does do my twat in when people consisently talk about the computer 'cheating'. Sometimes, a side does have a really good spell, and sometimes a side panics a falls to pieces - just like real life. It doesn't happen every time like some of you claim, and I've never ever lost a three goal lead. Maybe you all just need to relax and take it a bit less seriously.
 

Ali

It is happening again
Yeah obviously I was joking at Ali, but it does do my twat in when people consisently talk about the computer 'cheating'. Sometimes, a side does have a really good spell, and sometimes a side panics a falls to pieces - just like real life. It doesn't happen every time like some of you claim, and I've never ever lost a three goal lead. Maybe you all just need to relax and take it a bit less seriously.

I agree. It's obvious that the AI cheats, but it doesn't feel like it does it all the time. I think Konami have tried to immitate how matches "swing", and that in football, sometimes things just don't go your way, but they haven't quite got it right. I mean, folk may moan about the AI coming back from 0-4 to draw 4-4, but look at the Arsenal-Newcastle match!! It happens!
 

Amateur

Registered User
No, it's only ridiculous to you because I'm not complaining about the game but placing empahisis on the the players themselves.

In doing so, you are talking about something that is rather redundant or inconclusive since it has little to do with the game itself.

I know that some people are not good at the game and as a result complain about the game, but there are other people who simply do not like the game for other reasons.

You cannot attack everyone who does not like the game because you think he must suck at the game, because that would make it your opinion, and your opinion at the end of the day is not above the opinion of other players.

I fall in the group of people who are good at the game but do not feel the game is an improvement, for reasons that have nothing to do with my ability as a player and everything to do with what the actual video game offers to the player.

Which is why I talk, not about the players themselves, but about the game itself, since the ability of the player means fuck all due to obvious reasons.

And when I talk about the left analog stick I talk mainly about a fact, not about my opinion.

I have owned PES11 for over three months now, my cousin bought FIFA11 and forgot about PES11, I asked for PES11 and sold my own copy, I still have PES11 but I never play it anymore; when you say that I made up my mind after three days of playing the game, that is also your small minded opinion, far from the truth.

As for the improved passing: why is it an improvement when the scripting has gotten worst?

In your opinion it is an improvement, and I obviously disagree with your opinion.

I focus on facts because arguing about opinions is not something conclusive: how the fuck can you say that I do not like PES11 because I am not good at PES11? what type of evidence do you have to support your claim?

At the end of the day, you are putting your opinion above my opinion because you think you are the real deal, which is the usual pompous bullshit that you write; on the other hand, I am talking about facts that we can all experience, facts that affect the experience regardless of your opinion about the game and regardless of your opinion about yourself as a player.

But whatever.

Take a step back from your hate towards the game and for once write something that's objective.

I think I mostly write objective things when it comes to PES, what I think you want to hear is something positive, which would not necessarily make it objective.

One of the few positive things that I can say about PES11 is that before the patch it was a decent game that showed potential; however, the patched game has gone backwards and has done more harm than good.

The passing system, I do not like it and therefore I do not describe it as something positive, in my opinion it does not fit in with the rest of the game.

Passing the ball and playing the game feels like a shore, this does not make the game difficult, this just makes the game feel like a shore: a video game should not feel like a shore, realism should not feel like a shore.

PES11 and FIFA11 feel too similar, I do not enjoy video games where my ability is overwhelmingly undermined by a computer.

Wtf, a while back you were saying there was no sensitivity in players dribbling on 2011 now your saying it's too sensitive. You should be happy it's sensitive because it means the game is more reactive to your commands.

I never said that PES11 is not sensitive, what I said was that PES11 is not sensitive where it should be sensitive; however, I have always maintained that PES11 is extremely sensitive in its own way.

PES11: the slightest of touches on the left analog stick will have you moving through space towards the given direction, twisting and turning through space.

But try to affect movement without affecting your position on the pitch and without affecting the direction that you are looking at.....

You do not have sensitivity when it comes to the type of movement that does not affect your position on the pitch, because you cannot even affect movement without also affecting your position on the pitch and without also affecting the direction that you are looking at.

When you mix the following elements,

1st -- human beings that move like automobiles: that is, without the ability of moving in multiple directions inside a determined space, whilst simultaneously, running in one direction through an undetermined space.

1st -- for this reason you cannot move inside the space, therefore all the space that exists in terms of visuals does not actually exists within the practical confines of the video game, since if it is impossible to move inside the space that you can see, it will also be impossible to pass the ball into a space that does not exists.

2nd -- extremely sensitive passing system, where directing the pass with the left analog stick will also affect your position on the pitch therefore also affecting the angle of the pass; therefore making the game feel like a shore to play, since it is extremely sensitive and yet does not offers extreme accuracy.

As a result you get a video game where the computer has too much control over the game, due to obvious reasons. It does not require enough ability, it is a flawed and outdated concept, I'm bored of it now, times have changed and the game has failed to move on.

I am talking about an irrefutable fact, I have made up my opinion about it: my opinion will not change, I'm not talking about taste, I am talking about a fact.

But nothing will make you happy, if it wasn't sensitive you'd argue that the game was unresponsive and too heavy with some exaggeration added in. Lets be honest here, You have no consistency in your arguments because you really don't know what you don't like about the game but instead ring out your favourite sound bite phrases of the game being ''outdated'' ''simplistic'' and now ''pretentious'' You said the same exact things last year when we were discussing pes2010 and it will be the same next with 2012. You even went on a tangent about your 20 minute concept that you thought was going to revolutionise gaming that you thought up in your basement, until I had to come in and explain to you how dumb and unpractical it was.

That's such a pathetic argument. And what's worst, you are lying to my face.

The 20 minute concept you never understood and you still don't understand, because you are a dumb fucking cunt with the same attitude problems that all the cunts of this world have.

I will say it one last time; my argument will not change and therefore my opinion will not change, because I am not talking about my taste, I am talking about the fact that moving inside the space is impossible to do.

When it is possible to move inside the space, then I might criticize the feel of it, but seeing as my argument is about the usage and utility of the left analog stick in relation to movement through space and movement inside the space; well I do not think my argument will ever change if the left analog stick continues working the same way.

But I tell you what. That last piece of bullshit that I quoted is what you should always think when you see one of my posts, do not even bother reading my posts because what I say now is what I will say then, and you don't understand what I'm saying now, so don't read in order to understand, just think without reading, that's how cunts think, and lets be honest, you are a cunt.
 

CMB

Registered User
Passing the ball and playing the game feels like a shore, this does not make the game difficult, this just makes the game feel like a shore: a video game should not feel like a shore, realism should not feel like a shore.

Why do you insist on spelling 'Chore' as 'Shore'? :tongue:

I hate it when I want to control the ball and the game decides to let the ball run past me - it happens so often in every game, it's ridiculous!

PES Rager enlargens!
 

Athlon_

Registered User
My advice to everyone here is to get FIFA11, I bought it a few days ago and its another world compared to the lazy useless shitty game. PES is dead and buried.
 

boothy9

Registered User
In doing so, you are talking about something that is rather redundant or inconclusive since it has little to do with the game itself.

I know that some people are not good at the game and as a result complain about the game, but there are other people who simply do not like the game for other reasons.

You cannot attack everyone who does not like the game because you think he must suck at the game, because that would make it your opinion, and your opinion at the end of the day is not above the opinion of other players.

I fall in the group of people who are good at the game but do not feel the game is an improvement, for reasons that have nothing to do with my ability as a player and everything to do with what the actual video game offers to the player.

Which is why I talk, not about the players themselves, but about the game itself, since the ability of the player means fuck all due to obvious reasons.

And when I talk about the left analog stick I talk mainly about a fact, not about my opinion.

I have owned PES11 for over three months now, my cousin bought FIFA11 and forgot about PES11, I asked for PES11 and sold my own copy, I still have PES11 but I never play it anymore; when you say that I made up my mind after three days of playing the game, that is also your small minded opinion, far from the truth.

As for the improved passing: why is it an improvement when the scripting has gotten worst?

In your opinion it is an improvement, and I obviously disagree with your opinion.

I focus on facts because arguing about opinions is not something conclusive: how the fuck can you say that I do not like PES11 because I am not good at PES11? what type of evidence do you have to support your claim?

At the end of the day, you are putting your opinion above my opinion because you think you are the real deal, which is the usual pompous bullshit that you write; on the other hand, I am talking about facts that we can all experience, facts that affect the experience regardless of your opinion about the game and regardless of your opinion about yourself as a player.

But whatever.



I think I mostly write objective things when it comes to PES, what I think you want to hear is something positive, which would not necessarily make it objective.

One of the few positive things that I can say about PES11 is that before the patch it was a decent game that showed potential; however, the patched game has gone backwards and has done more harm than good.

The passing system, I do not like it and therefore I do not describe it as something positive, in my opinion it does not fit in with the rest of the game.

Passing the ball and playing the game feels like a shore, this does not make the game difficult, this just makes the game feel like a shore: a video game should not feel like a shore, realism should not feel like a shore.

PES11 and FIFA11 feel too similar, I do not enjoy video games where my ability is overwhelmingly undermined by a computer.



I never said that PES11 is not sensitive, what I said was that PES11 is not sensitive where it should be sensitive; however, I have always maintained that PES11 is extremely sensitive in its own way.

PES11: the slightest of touches on the left analog stick will have you moving through space towards the given direction, twisting and turning through space.

But try to affect movement without affecting your position on the pitch and without affecting the direction that you are looking at.....

You do not have sensitivity when it comes to the type of movement that does not affect your position on the pitch, because you cannot even affect movement without also affecting your position on the pitch and without also affecting the direction that you are looking at.

When you mix the following elements,

1st -- human beings that move like automobiles: that is, without the ability of moving in multiple directions inside a determined space, whilst simultaneously, running in one direction through an undetermined space.

1st -- for this reason you cannot move inside the space, therefore all the space that exists in terms of visuals does not actually exists within the practical confines of the video game, since if it is impossible to move inside the space that you can see, it will also be impossible to pass the ball into a space that does not exists.

2nd -- extremely sensitive passing system, where directing the pass with the left analog stick will also affect your position on the pitch therefore also affecting the angle of the pass; therefore making the game feel like a shore to play, since it is extremely sensitive and yet does not offers extreme accuracy.

As a result you get a video game where the computer has too much control over the game, due to obvious reasons. It does not require enough ability, it is a flawed and outdated concept, I'm bored of it now, times have changed and the game has failed to move on.

I am talking about an irrefutable fact, I have made up my opinion about it: my opinion will not change, I'm not talking about taste, I am talking about a fact.



That's such a pathetic argument. And what's worst, you are lying to my face.

The 20 minute concept you never understood and you still don't understand, because you are a dumb fucking cunt with the same attitude problems that all the cunts of this world have.

I will say it one last time; my argument will not change and therefore my opinion will not change, because I am not talking about my taste, I am talking about the fact that moving inside the space is impossible to do.

When it is possible to move inside the space, then I might criticize the feel of it, but seeing as my argument is about the usage and utility of the left analog stick in relation to movement through space and movement inside the space; well I do not think my argument will ever change if the left analog stick continues working the same way.

But I tell you what. That last piece of bullshit that I quoted is what you should always think when you see one of my posts, do not even bother reading my posts because what I say now is what I will say then, and you don't understand what I'm saying now, so don't read in order to understand, just think without reading, that's how cunts think, and lets be honest, you are a cunt.


Bloody hell, nice "little" 2.57am post by Amateur!

Have you ever tried to get this left analog stick concept over to Konami? So you want the players to be able to move in all directions while still standing on the spot? And move the ball around in the same spot also?

How easy do you think your plans would be to implement?

I wouldn't go around calling people cunts on here, you're just coming across as obnoxious and all high and mighty! You've got some good points about PES, leave it at that!
 

Ali

It is happening again
My advice to everyone here is to get FIFA11, I bought it a few days ago and its another world compared to the lazy useless shitty game. PES is dead and buried.

I would rather hack off my left testicle with a butter knife, than get Fifa 11!!!

Amateur and Football777 - Please don't start another war with each other. All that has been said with regards to PES cheating and whatever, has been said before, we don't need to keep seeing it time and time again.
 
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