PES09, Time is catching up..

[clowesbert]

Arrogant

You know what I love? This is only Konami's second REAL try at making a PES game on a next gen console as PES 6 was just a rushed port. How many FIFA based games did EA sports release on a next gen console before apparently getting it right this year? Lets think shall we... Fifa Road to World Cup 06, 2006 World Cup, Fifa 07, Fifa 08, Euro 08, and now we're at Fifa 09. So when you count up the attempts, I'd say Konami have a few more trys left at making a perfect PES game on a next gen console, don't you?

Yeah FIFA have had a few more tries, but the fact remains that on release day for the first time I will be considering which one to buy - which has never been the case before! PES visuals/graphics SHOULD NOW be up to scratch with FIFA now that we are on the PS3. All these years FIFA have being trying to catch up in the gameplay department, but why haven't Konami been busting their balls to catch up on the graphics side? Arrogance! I think they are relying far too heavily on their better gameplay, and as we saw with PES2008, that wasn't very reliable.

Pull you fingers out Konami!

 

[Baddar]

Fuck Off!! you Loser.. whatever. It's my fucking Opinion.

First off, it may well be your opinion, but surely if you didn't want anyone to respond, you'd have just kept it to yourself, no?

Anyway, I agree with pretty much everything you said. Again, I will stress that it's probably better to wait until you play PES 09 before you say that they've gone nowhere in 5 years.

 

[Amateur]

First off, it may well be your opinion, but surely if you didn't want anyone to respond, you'd have just kept it to yourself, no?

Anyway, I agree with pretty much everything you said. Again, I will stress that it's probably better to wait until you play PES 09 before you say that they've gone nowhere in 5 years.

I don't really care about Negative comments -but- what really bugs me is when someone who OBVIOUSLY did Not even bothered reading the Post starts criticizing. Read before arguing, that's all I'm saying.

Anyways, it's not like they have gone Nowhere in 5 years.. but surely had they kept going -instead- of relying on an establish product, surely PES08 and PES09 would have progressed more.

At least I would expect some New Stats and Special Abilities -wich- wasn't the case in PES08 -and- seems to be the case again with PES09. I'd like to see a better system of Stats and Special Abilities -in- other words, a better Foundation to build on a better game.

Seeing the same exact System of Stats and Special Abilities for the 5th consecutive year is just disappointing -even- more discouraging considering this is a Next Gen Title. We know Konami could do better if they wanted.

 

[red]

what stats do you want, there is a limit! I am sure the stats are used combined for effect, eg weight, height, speed, wll all have an effect on jumping! so is it more stats or just how they are used that is the issue?

 

[freestyleh7]

I just read your first paragraph and couldn't keep reading, so stupid, the game hasn't even come up and you are already saying what has happened to Konami after one regular year, 2008, that in my opinion wasn't a good game but still beat Fifa 08.

Please only happy wishes for Konami right now, if Konami doesn't deliver a good game, then say whatever you anti-PES people want.

Can't u disagree in a nice calm, and relaxed way.

 

[2-Face]

Amateur. You know, I was wondering if it might be possible that KONAMI is actually using PES money to create games like MGS. Now if this is true, IF then the next PES should be a totally new engine. The MGS team was very large. Does this mean many people from that game can now actually work on a new PES. The technolgy that was used in MGS can now be used in a new PES? If this is not the case then I really have no answer for your question. And to be honest i don't see a next gen PES next year.

Another point is that I like what i have seen so far. The good thing is it's just a year for the next pes to arrive. Can we be satisfied with the online mode and be a legend? I think, if it works good I will have a great time.

i do want to point out that most of the stuff FIFA is doing doesn't impress me. For example 2vs2 is what i wanted but a 5 vs 5 would be cool i think, but a 10 vs 10 i mean how the hell are you going to play that? I know allot will be upset by this, but the graphics in FIFA sometimes look weird and i have seen ice skating in many videos.

I have played FIFA09 at Leipzig and it plays so weird it's like pressing a button and then an animation follows. There is no total control over the ball and scoring was very easy. It still play's like FIFA.

 

[2-Face]

I just read your first paragraph and couldn't keep reading, so stupid, the game hasn't even come up and you are already saying what has happened to Konami after one regular year, 2008, that in my opinion wasn't a good game but still beat Fifa 08.

Please only happy wishes for Konami right now, if Konami doesn't deliver a good game, then say whatever you anti-PES people want.

I think it's not very nice to make such a comment when you don't read everything. That's like saying i haven't seen Arsenal play but they suck.

 

[RAMAXWY]

the new stats and abilities have to come because if they don't the only improvement we will be having on the next gen consoles for PES games will be graphics and that would be stupid.
the problem is that if u want to keep the balance between attack and defence (and we know how importent that is after PES2008)you will have to take in account that when u have a new dribbling system for example u have to program a way to defend it also or else u have a problem .
take PES08 for example they incorparated the speed in this game and most of the times u just use that instead of playing the beautifull game because the power speed has in the game is blown out of proportion.
this year i hope the balance is back that u can defend against speedy players and good dribblers.
so when you put something like shielding in, then u will have to make a program for the dribbler and also for the defender taking in account things like the players their weights, agility and technique because when u shield the ball u will get bumpt and pushed by the defender hoping u lose ur balance and control of the ball.
also when u aren't shielding correctly the defender most be able to poke the ball away.
so i understand what u are saying and u are right that PES should be heading that way and hopefully they will, but in such a way that the balance stays.

 

[RAMAXWY]

2-Face

I have played FIFA09 at Leipzig and it plays so weird it's like pressing a button and then an animation follows. There is no total control over the ball and scoring was very easy. It still play's like FIFA.

well my friend if what u are saying is correct then the only great things are the fluid movements and the nice graphics from far out.
well i can't wait for the demo to feel it for myself.
by anny chance did u get to play PES2009?
did u like it and how did it feel ?.

 

[proevofan88]

Ok here lets put it this way:

PES5 is WAY better then FIFA 08.

I agree that KONAMI can do MUCH BETTER then their last couple of efforts.

I think it's unfair that people say PES has been stuck in the PES5 gameplay department when FIFA ( yes it 2008 ) has still never made a better game.

As far as I know, EA are great at "MARKETING". Every year they promise great improvements and a revolutionary football game. ( 2008 and EA still has not made a better football game then PES 5, and we are here picking on KONAMI? )

As far as I'm concerned, KONAMI can REPLICATE PES5 literally in the gameplay department and I will be happy with it.


This is just my opinion


However, KONAMI need to listen to their FANS and they need to make the next great football game for the 2010 outing and they can do it too.


Looking forward to PES 2009 though, from SOME of the videos I've seen, it has greatly improved.


@ Amateur I respect your opinion but you have not played FIFA 09. So it having all these stats and traits doesn't mean a thing. If you are to go by history, the odds for this FIFA to be as good as EA says it will are VERY slim. EA always makes promises and rarely meets them.


If FIFA 09 has gameplay thats about as good as PES, then I will be buying FIFA 09 this year. But that is something I have a very hard time to believe.

 

[nikicampos]

I just feel that this thread is 10 months old, come on, it's pointless to talk about 2008 when we are just about 40 day to get the 2009 version of both PES and Fifa, so, just wait 4 to 5 weeks and then if people don't like the game then trash if you want, i know i will love it, because i thought that PES 2008 was a better game than Fifa 08 and if PES 2009 will fix the last years problems, then i'll will be happy.

WENB and TheBoss from PESfan are saying that PES 2009 will pleased their fans, it's like PES5 and PES6 but with better graphics, so i think it will be really good.

 

[muzza798]

I just feel that this thread is 10 months old, come on, it's pointless to talk about 2008 when we are just about 40 day to get the 2009 version of both PES and Fifa, so, just wait 4 to 5 weeks and then if people don't like the game then trash if you want, i know i will love it, because i thought that PES 2008 was a better game than Fifa 08 and if PES 2009 will fix the last years problems, then i'll will be happy.

WENB and TheBoss from PESfan are saying that PES 2009 will pleased their fans, it's like PES5 and PES6 but with better graphics, so i think it will be really good.

Yh same here, im digging this years game so far. Adam from WENB said if you liked the vids from leipzig then your gonna get a treat when you see the final version. I love the leipzig vids. Looks like a good game of football.

 

[CRISSGRAN]

Trusting EA is very hard to do, especially after them being clients of my company, we have to test The Sims 2, Need for Speed most wanted and Fifa 2006. Whenever we got back to our main contact he was always closing bugs as designed or leaving them in. EA's main goal is to market things, they don't really care as much if the product isn't upto scratch, as long as it's dumbed down enough. Crysis is a perfect example, it was looking insanely good till EA got involved, now it's still not bad, looks nice, but it's more suited to gramers, that's EA in one word, Gramers.(look it up if you don't understand)

 

[nikicampos]

Well, i just got curious about "gramers" i found it, and it made me laugh.

Here's what i found out.

"A person who acts like a gamer but really only plays Madden, Halo, and GTA. Similar to a douche and has qualities of a jock."

And they also play Fifa, LOL.

 

[Amateur]

what stats do you want, there is a limit! I am sure the stats are used combined for effect, eg weight, height, speed, wll all have an effect on jumping! so is it more stats or just how they are used that is the issue?

No it's not about including a Load of Stats that won't make any difference to the Gameplay.. It's just about turning the Arcade game into a Team-Game, a Collective game -and- the best way to do that is to Include even more Specific Stats in order to Define further Differences between each Type of Player.

For example, Instead of just having 4 Stats for Passing; Short Pass Accuracy, Short Pass Speed, Long Pass Accuracy, and Long Pass Speed.

Maybe Konami could replace those 4 Stats with more "Realistic" and Accurate Stats such as; Short Ground Pass, Short Lobbed Pass, Long Ground Pass, Long Lobbed Pass, Short Through Ball Technique, and Long Through Ball Technique.

Why you may ask?? Well..

The Short Through Ball Technique and Long Through Ball Technique are Stats meant to establish a Fundamental Difference between Playmakers (or Attacking Midfielders) and Second Strikers.

So, a Second Striker would have a good "Short Through Ball Technique" wich enables him with the ability to pass from Advanced Positions, etc, etc.. Or it could also be a Striker, take Romario for example, the guy would Not know what to do with the ball from a Deep Position (Midfield) -but- from advanced positions he (Romario) was great at making Short incisive Passes.

On the other hand, the "Long Through Ball Technique" is to determine a player's ability to Orchestrate the play from Deep Positions; like Juan Roman Riquelme, Zinedine Zidane, Carlos Valderrama, or Andrea Pirlo. The Stat would pretty much determine a player's "Vision" from Deep Positions in the Pitch -in- other words, it would determine if a player CAN or CANNOT Orchestrate Play from the Midfield.

And the rest of them; Short Ground Pass, Short Lobbed Pass, Long Ground Pass, Long Lobbed Pass.. you can see Why they are needed, right? David Beckham is great at "Long Ground Passes" -but- he (alike most English Players) is not very good nor comfortable at performing "Short Ground Passes" a lo Xavi (from Barcelona).

So, it's Not about Including a Load of Stats that aren't really needed.. it's just about Including the Stats that are Not properly covered by the current system -and- Passing and Moving Stats are extremely important. I think we need better "Passing Stats" and "Tactical Stats".

The more Realistic, the better.. and if anything, further Elaborating on the Passing Stats and the Tactical Stats would add a Significant bit of Realism into an already decent game.

 

[2-Face]

2-Face

well my friend if what u are saying is correct then the only great things are the fluid movements and the nice graphics from far out.
well i can't wait for the demo to feel it for myself.
by anny chance did u get to play PES2009?
did u like it and how did it feel ?.

Yes i liked it. The movements are awesome. You really have to see it up close and the graphics are phenomenal. When you see a replay you are going to appreciate what KONAMI has done. Some may say "yeah but no mo-cap" but again FIFA has done a great job, but it isn't revolutionary. Allot of people say because of mo cap FIFA has better movements. I dare any one to get a real live video of a match and compare it to PES and FIFA and watch the BODY MOVEMENTS. In FIFA you might enjoy it from far, but up close PES is the winner. The way they run....excellent!! and my favorite, diving headers looks soooo realistic, if you just miss the ball you will really get up and go: Oooooooooooohhhh. out of excitement.

I think the passing system hasn't been implemented right in the Leipzig Demo. But i could be wrong. Not because it didn't do what i wanted but it just felt weird. Again I haven't bought 5 after my disappointment with 4. Many said it plays like 5. i have played 5 allot with friends and family and i must say pes 2009 feels different. it feels better. But again I did not had my own copy, So i could be wrong.

I for one did feel that ball physics were different but only visible at it's best in replay's. (due to fast pace not recognizable.) The pace is to high, i am wondering if the AI has time to think when the pace is that fast?? i think someone already mentioned that one on this forum.

I really hope allot of you get a chance to play it. The game is really good.

few things that need to bee sorted out:
- Goalkeepers below Top player are just a joke. They should have just made Top player and amateur if they want to keep the goalkeepers stupid. on Top player the goalkeepers are really good, something positive.
- Sometimes defenders help each other out, but more defenders means more stupidity. It makes it hard to get past the defenders but sometimes when you are in the box defenders run against each other, looks really stupid, when they touch each other they trip or fall to the ground.
- Pace should be slower, i want to think about what i am gonna do, not just pass, pass and pass and hope it goes in.
-Bicycle kicks seems unrealistic.

I have been waiting for a good pes and i think this is the one i was waiting for. I hope they sort everything out. And i hope the online option will work without any slowdowns.

 

[Amateur]

Ok here lets put it this way:

PES5 is WAY better then FIFA 08.

I agree that KONAMI can do MUCH BETTER then their last couple of efforts.

I think it's unfair that people say PES has been stuck in the PES5 gameplay department when FIFA ( yes it 2008 ) has still never made a better game.

As far as I know, EA are great at "MARKETING". Every year they promise great improvements and a revolutionary football game. ( 2008 and EA still has not made a better football game then PES 5, and we are here picking on KONAMI? )

As far as I'm concerned, KONAMI can REPLICATE PES5 literally in the gameplay department and I will be happy with it.


This is just my opinion


However, KONAMI need to listen to their FANS and they need to make the next great football game for the 2010 outing and they can do it too.


Looking forward to PES 2009 though, from SOME of the videos I've seen, it has greatly improved.


@ Amateur I respect your opinion but you have not played FIFA 09. So it having all these stats and traits doesn't mean a thing. If you are to go by history, the odds for this FIFA to be as good as EA says it will are VERY slim. EA always makes promises and rarely meets them.


If FIFA 09 has gameplay thats about as good as PES, then I will be buying FIFA 09 this year. But that is something I have a very hard time to believe.

I agree with everything you said.. and this Thread wasn't just to have a go at PES09 -as- if anything, I'm looking forwards to PES09.

However, I wanted to make this Thread as a remainder of just How Outdated PES is today, they where lightyears ahead of FIFA in 2004 -with- a much more Advanced System of Stats and Special Abilities, and a Gameplay that made FIFA look like a joke.

This has changed through the years -as- Today, FIFA has improved on their Stats system and on their Gameplay -whereas- PES has stayed with the same exact Stats and Special Abilities, and with the same Gameplay; actually going back to PES5.

We all know Konami can do better... And again, we have done some Peticions, Ideas, etc, etc.. and never a single reply from Konami.. that can Improve.

They (Konami) have done it for this year -as- a versions of PES5 with good Graphics will keep us busy for at least a year. However, Where to after PES09??

So anyways, this thread was simply a remainder that IF Konami keeps up with the same Attitude, chances are they will loose the battle.

 

[vietfan09]

[pLEAES KONAMI are working so hard to Make pes 2009 is one to remember !!!

ONCE AGAIN PES 2009 would be the bestversion out there for all Version

Remember number 9 is in there is it sould be the best NUMBER 9

 

[RAMAXWY]

Yes i liked it. The movements are awesome. You really have to see it up close and the graphics are phenomenal. When you see a replay you are going to appreciate what KONAMI has done. Some may say "yeah but no mo-cap" but again FIFA has done a great job, but it isn't revolutionary. Allot of people say because of mo cap FIFA has better movements. I dare any one to get a real live video of a match and compare it to PES and FIFA and watch the BODY MOVEMENTS. In FIFA you might enjoy it from far, but up close PES is the winner. The way they run....excellent!! and my favorite, diving headers looks soooo realistic, if you just miss the ball you will really get up and go: Oooooooooooohhhh. out of excitement.

I think the passing system hasn't been implemented right in the Leipzig Demo. But i could be wrong. Not because it didn't do what i wanted but it just felt weird. Again I haven't bought 5 after my disappointment with 4. Many said it plays like 5. i have played 5 allot with friends and family and i must say pes 2009 feels different. it feels better. But again I did not had my own copy, So i could be wrong.

I for one did feel that ball physics were different but only visible at it's best in replay's. (due to fast pace not recognizable.) The pace is to high, i am wondering if the AI has time to think when the pace is that fast?? i think someone already mentioned that one on this forum.

I really hope allot of you get a chance to play it. The game is really good.

few things that need to bee sorted out:
- Goalkeepers below Top player are just a joke. They should have just made Top player and amateur if they want to keep the goalkeepers stupid. on Top player the goalkeepers are really good, something positive.
- Sometimes defenders help each other out, but more defenders means more stupidity. It makes it hard to get past the defenders but sometimes when you are in the box defenders run against each other, looks really stupid, when they touch each other they trip or fall to the ground.
- Pace should be slower, i want to think about what i am gonna do, not just pass, pass and pass and hope it goes in.
-Bicycle kicks seems unrealistic.

I have been waiting for a good pes and i think this is the one i was waiting for. I hope they sort everything out. And i hope the online option will work without any slowdowns.

when u say the pace was too fast do you mean it was even faster then PES08 or the same or a bit slower.
did the players feel solid and has the defending from your AI teammates improve.
and if you can sum up the biggest differences between PES 08 and PES09 what would they be ?

 

[shaun7]

From the videos it seems slower (raise hopes).