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PES4 - PS2 or Xbox?

NV goggles

Registered User
cowden_harley said:
Goggs, does it affect your xbox live that "mod" you have done?

Would you say its worth it?

Cheers

GAMERTAG - VincentVega83
You need the box modded with an executor 2 first, then a 80-120 gb harddrive, then the slayers evox installed which is a programme to let you konw what you are copying to and where on the harddrive I dont have an Xbox live subscription as I don't play my xbox that much (actually I should never have got it and bought a new ps2 my stomach feels like POPEYE DOYLE because I cant play Pro Evo3) though as with the ps2 if you are playing imported games say on line you need a switch installed on the ps2 or xbox which costs a tenner most places. I think it is worth it but it still can't do any thing about not been able to play Pro Evo.
 

MattShez

PPL Manager
Ill be buying my copy of PES4 on Xbox, i prefer the wait to get it on a better console but if you are just looking to play it as soon as possible buy it on PS2
 

Travis Bickle

not to be taken seriously
MattShez said:
Ill be buying my copy of PES4 on Xbox, i prefer the wait to get it on a better console but if you are just looking to play it as soon as possible buy it on PS2


Its not a better console, if it wasn't for Sony you wouldn't even be playing PES, I couldn't see Microsoft investing into a company making a football game that isn't as easily accesible and profit making as FIFA. Sony pushed gaming forward and if Microsoft want me to buy one of their machines they've gotta proof themselves as true believers in innovative games not just PC conversions and tried and tested FPS's and RTS....
 

fantasywave

Registered User
I just played Xbox even though Project Gotham Racing 2 has the best graphics, better than WE and driv3r I play less time with it then with PS2 games. I blame the controller.
 

Milosh

Registered User
Travis Bickle said:
Halo 2 Half-Life 2 and Doom 3, Great, I love FPS's so much I'm gonna buy three of them !!!!!(that was sarcasm by the way.) I know Xbox makes good FPS as its a PC in a box and owned by the Grand Geek Bill Gates... but considering my ps1 collection consists of iss, gta, tekken, gran turismo, final fantasy, metal gear solid and stupid "drunken" games with a dance mat, I thought the transition to ps2 would be better for me. Fortunately Microsoft left it to late for me to be disappointed with the ps2, and I'll grant you recently there have been a few good games on xbox but I'm not gonna pay £200 so I only wait 15 seconds instead of 25 or so I can sit there and say "the detail in the crowd is soooo much better." I'm not a Microsoft hater but I think Bill Gates has proved his money-grabbing-lack-of-respect-for-the-consumer attitude when with all the money and technology he has he brought out the Xbox.

Travis Mate, do not mix frogs and cats. As I expected, and as ALWAYS, the answer of every person that owns PS2 for not playing xbox is Bill Gates. If you are mentioning Bill Gates because of XBOX, then isn't it that Microsoft makes Windows? And isn't it that you were saying that people should buy a PC in few posts ago and play Doom3, HL2 etc., on PC??? Why nobody mentiones Bill Gates when it comes to PC games since you cannot play PC games without windows???
This is poor "why not play xbox" reasoning.

And let me tell you something, PES wouldn't exist if there were no SNES and Sega megadriveII (genesis in US), and famous ISS series, so DO NOT give PES credit to SONY, the company that is NOT any better than Microsoft in terms of monopoly and consumer treatment.

When Sony PlaystationOne came out back in '94, it was the same discussion between Nintendo/Sega fans and Sony, same one that we lead today between Sony and Xbox. It doesn't matter who makes it. You have to be TOO shallow to restrict yourself for not playing better system because you hate this and that.
And it is not about shiny graphics and faster loading times etc... Having same games on both systems makes drastical difference. It's about Sony being unable to handle those games like xbox, which makes them almost UNPLAYABLE. Take a look at Max Payne 1 and 2 for example, Prince of Persia, Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow and some others, where you experience TOO MANY slowdowns on PS2. It's frustating. Frame rate drops on 4-5, while xbox keeps it on 30fps on TV's and more on LCD's. Soon they will be unable to make same games on both systems, or they will be even more different.

And after all, there are emulators which enable you to play PS1 games on XBOX, and soon there will be one for PS2 (which already exists but it's only beta version)...

Think my friend... we have all four 128bit systems in our office including Dreamcast, Gamcube, PS2 and Xbox, and xbox really is superior.
There is a solution for controller as well, there is Logitech one which looks almost the same as PS2 controller, or use ps2 controller, but I personally do not have any problems with xbox s controller...

Cheers.
 

Travis Bickle

not to be taken seriously
My reference to Bill Gates was only to show he was a Geek and loved FPS's and RTS's like all Geeks do, and which I think should be kept to the confines of a PC in a basement of their mothers house so they can play them all day online, fragging their online "friends" and regenerating to their hearts desire :rolleyes:. I've got nothing against Bill Gates' monopoly so don't YOU jump on the "you don't like Bill Gates" crap which always crops up in the Sony v Microsoft debate along with "the controllers rubbish" and "its too big" which are all superficial anyway. From my perspective, I've got a bit of money, so I could buy it, I like playing the odd game, so I wouldn't mind the Xbox exclusive stuff, but its pony. I had high hopes when I heard the hype of the Xbox saw the initial screenshots (which turned out to be fake.) then it was released it wasn't that good, only Microsoft produced games were coming out, you have to admit that was a faux-pas by Greedy Bill. Then Halo the most over-rated game ever !!! then it nearly went under but Bill pumped more money into it and let them release multi-format games on there, and now all Xbox owners are waiting for Halo 2 Whoooppeeeee.

The Nintendo/Sega v ps1 is totally different, Sony released a console that kicked the arses of their competitors, with a new format for playing games on CD and a different attitude to the game playing public, going for the 20 something instead of kids. Sony blew them out of the water, and I don't remember anyone considering not buying one, it was a revolution. Now if the Xbox was that sort of equivalent to the ps2 I'd buy it, everyone would, but Microsoft and Bill have now realised what their Computer buying public like fancy graphics, latest hardware, hard-drive, quicker loading times, just general better numbers, like you with your frame rate and bilinear multi-processing thingymegigs, the console market don't they want games, I want games like pes mgs gt FF GTA etc......
 

MattShez

PPL Manager
The Ice Man said:
:) I'll be getting pes4 on my ps2 because it's gonna piss all over x-box with a better pad

Is that the only excuse you have?

The newest Contoller S is brilliant!

Jus think of the advantages of playing on xbox! Its a more powerful console and you could save as many replays, ML's and Tournaments etc. with all the space while PS2 users are stuck with a crappy 8mb memory card

Just to note i do have a PS2!
 

Mike69

Registered User
I've bought all the PES on the PS2 but im about 80% that i will get PES4 on my xbox simply because IMO i think its a better console. also, i hate worrying about memory card space etc so with the hard drive i can save as much as i want. also it has 4 controller ports which make for good multiplayer (i havent got a multi-tap) and if you think the xbox pad is too big just get a mad catz micro-con they are just slightly bigger than the official PS2 pad. However, i'll wait and see how konami implement the ]controls of PES on the PS2 to the controls on xbox before i buy it
 

netbulger

Registered User
Travis Bickle said:
Sony pushed gaming forward and if Microsoft want me to buy one of their machines they've gotta proof themselves as true believers in innovative games not just PC conversions and tried and tested FPS's and RTS....

I'm gonna mention a few games here, Project Gotham Racing 2, Moto GP 2, Toca Race Driver 2, Full Spectrum Warrior, Outrun 2, Ninja Gaiden, Top Spin, KOTOR, etc. Can you see a FPS, RTS or PC conversion between these AAA titles. The reason Xbox does get the odd PC conversion is cos it's the only machine that can handle PC games. Sony pushed gaming forward, but they promised more with the PS2, Microsoft gave us what they said, a powerful console. More and more developers are realising the advantages of Xbox, that's why these PS2 exclusives don't stay that way. This controller debate is bollox anyway, the Xbox S controller is small, there are third party ones even smaller, it seems these sole PS2 owners don't realise the world keeps turning and things evolve.
 

Milosh

Registered User
Travis Bickle said:
My reference to Bill Gates was only to show he was a Geek and loved FPS's and RTS's like all Geeks do, and which I think should be kept to the confines of a PC in a basement of their mothers house so they can play them all day online, fragging their online "friends" and regenerating to their hearts desire :rolleyes:. I've got nothing against Bill Gates' monopoly so don't YOU jump on the "you don't like Bill Gates" crap which always crops up in the Sony v Microsoft debate along with "the controllers rubbish" and "its too big" which are all superficial anyway. From my perspective, I've got a bit of money, so I could buy it, I like playing the odd game, so I wouldn't mind the Xbox exclusive stuff, but its pony. I had high hopes when I heard the hype of the Xbox saw the initial screenshots (which turned out to be fake.) then it was released it wasn't that good, only Microsoft produced games were coming out, you have to admit that was a faux-pas by Greedy Bill. Then Halo the most over-rated game ever !!! then it nearly went under but Bill pumped more money into it and let them release multi-format games on there, and now all Xbox owners are waiting for Halo 2 Whoooppeeeee.

The Nintendo/Sega v ps1 is totally different, Sony released a console that kicked the arses of their competitors, with a new format for playing games on CD and a different attitude to the game playing public, going for the 20 something instead of kids. Sony blew them out of the water, and I don't remember anyone considering not buying one, it was a revolution. Now if the Xbox was that sort of equivalent to the ps2 I'd buy it, everyone would, but Microsoft and Bill have now realised what their Computer buying public like fancy graphics, latest hardware, hard-drive, quicker loading times, just general better numbers, like you with your frame rate and bilinear multi-processing thingymegigs, the console market don't they want games, I want games like pes mgs gt FF GTA etc......


Alright, I had enough of this debate, play whatever you like on whatever system you like.

Sony was everything but innovative when they started using CD's, there have been three other gaming consoles 32bit ones used before, but again, I ain't going to argue about anything since it's pointless. Some people cannot admit certain things, and who knows why it is like that.

One news for all xboxers, Newest edition of official xbox magazine has published confirmation from Konami that PES4 WILL be LIVE :)))))))

Let's see now who is not innovative...
 

MattShez

PPL Manager
When i heard about PES4 comming on XBOX i thought great! Ill be buying that on this console! I might even have posted about it on this thread.

But overnight ive had second thoughs, mainly that it comes out a few weeks after it does on PS2.

I might buy it next year depending on wether it is available on XBOX LIVE, which is miles ahead of Sony's NETWORK PLAY. But if not i think it could be PS2 (or 3!)

MILOSH WHAT DID IT SAY ABOUT PS4 WILL BE ON XB LIVE????? IF ITS IN THE MAG ILL GO BUY IT NOW! (P.S. WHAT EDITION EXACTLY?)

Has it been CONFIRMED?????????????????
 

Travis Bickle

not to be taken seriously
Milosh said:
Alright, I had enough of this debate, play whatever you like on whatever system you like.

Sony was everything but innovative when they started using CD's, there have been three other gaming consoles 32bit ones used before, but again, I ain't going to argue about anything since it's pointless. Some people cannot admit certain things, and who knows why it is like that.

One news for all xboxers, Newest edition of official xbox magazine has published confirmation from Konami that PES4 WILL be LIVE :)))))))

Let's see now who is not innovative...

other cd based consoles, 3DO, Atari Jaguar, Sega (peripheral) 32x, GREAT, when i meant the first, I meant first successfull, doing it with a bit of conviction.


Miklosh said:
but again, I ain't going to argue about anything since it's pointless. Some people cannot admit certain things, and who knows why it is like that.

If you don't want an arguement why do you make patronising comments like that, you Aussie punk. "Admit certain things", I've told you the reasons to why the PS2 has and will be a more successful machine. The point you are failing to admit is that, I know the Xbox is a more powerful machine, but YOU have to admit that game-players (especially the Japanese) don't care about slightly better graphics, they want gameplay, and comparisons by friends and magasine reviews, of similar genre titles between these two formats has the PS2 coming out on top, even the Gamecube beats the Xbox !!!

Anyway the point of this thread was someone that has owned a ps2, therefore likes ps2's games, is wondering whether to change to an Xbox, and my opinion is with titles like GTA san Andreas, MGS snake eater, GT4 and a probable Final Fantasy coming out, I wouldn't change because I'm sure he has some of those games prequels and would be missing out.

Keep discussing, if you want, its better than the usual spam on here.
 

MattShez

PPL Manager
I love both consoles! Each has games that are exclusive that i love!

There is proberbly only 2 games that i am certainly buying this year pes4 (on xb if Live is confirmed 2 b true) and Halo 2! The possibility of Buying MGS3 is still there but i have to say that XBOX has to win the battle of the big titles this year.
 

7RONALDO7

MUFC THE RELIGION
Also, if it's on XBL you could be able to download content like, real players names, more balls, more kits etc!!!!!

That would be kewl!!!!!
 

7RONALDO7

MUFC THE RELIGION
I will get both so im not bortherd!

I dont like that Project Gotham Racing 2, Moto GP etc are for the PC, they are games which Microsoft have made

Also, who cares if some games are for PC because if the games turn out good, who cares where it comes from?!!
 

X-AleX

Registered User
Milosh said:
One news for all xboxers, Newest edition of official xbox magazine has published confirmation from Konami that PES4 WILL be LIVE :)))))))

Let's see now who is not innovative...



Are you joking?What goddamn edition of that damn magazine says this?
 
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