Player ratings
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How on God's name can they rate Pele 91 and Zidane 99? SO RETARDED and again they give classic france a speed of 89 when they have no players around that much with that speed or higher!
Rosicky 86!!!!!!!!!!
KONAMI have never watched the prem have they. After those big injuries he had, he has decreased dramatically and yet he has higher dribbling than Giggs or CR7.
Also, to make matters worse, he is 87 in cmf!!!!!!
Sort it out KONAMI
Rosicky 86!!!!!!!!!!
KONAMI have never watched the prem have they. After those big injuries he had, he has decreased dramatically and yet he has higher dribbling than Giggs or CR7.
Also, to make matters worse, he is 87 in cmf!!!!!!
Sort it out KONAMI
Just ignore overall ratings is my approach. A difficult one but one I adopt nonetheless. For example:
I edited stats based on PSD. Pique is 86 OVR yet has CBBB as his 4 main overall attributes summary. Other players with better overalls have maybe CCCB etc.
The overall rating is broken imo. Full backs are usually rated around 82+ if PSD is used for stats and strikers always rated around 80. Torres is 77 in my game cus of PSD. But his stats reflect the true way he plays, so I ignore the overall.
Just my opinions and thoughts.
Oh and I agree with you two, konami have really buggered the stats this year...
I edited stats based on PSD. Pique is 86 OVR yet has CBBB as his 4 main overall attributes summary. Other players with better overalls have maybe CCCB etc.
The overall rating is broken imo. Full backs are usually rated around 82+ if PSD is used for stats and strikers always rated around 80. Torres is 77 in my game cus of PSD. But his stats reflect the true way he plays, so I ignore the overall.
Just my opinions and thoughts.
Oh and I agree with you two, konami have really buggered the stats this year...
StringerBell
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Some they get right some they get wrong. Its foolish to think that over 1000 some odd players (or however many are in game) would be rated perfectly. I think for the most part they are getting better on rating players than in previous titles....
I'm in agreement with Abu here, KONAMI really need to sort out the overall stats side. I know you can just ignore them and look at individual stats but then what is the point of the overall as an indicator. So many silly ones, like Rosicky, like Carroll being too good, and Suarez not good enough. Doni is already better than Reina after about twenty games, how is that possible? Isn't Doni older than Reina and worse?
Carragher is useless on the game for some reason, someone like Coates is much more effective. They need to really knuckle down on what specifics are for each position. Someone like a Giggs for example is still World Class, he may have lost a yard or two but his passing and creativity are still superb, and at such a consistent level for a decade!
It seems KONAMI get drawn into fads, like Carroll at Newcastle; he's now unstoppable in the air when IRL he's like a big cry baby lol.
I also think looking back that the player individuality is still a problem, with regards to THE best players. I remember on demo 1 or 2 someone like Rooney would run the show, drop back into midfield, splay the ball around like a type of Gazza come support striker. Bale would take me on outside inside and basically you had to double up on him.
In retail there is player individuality with regards to feeling the difference between a slightly sluggish CB and a dynamic winger, but the key player differences are lost I feel. For example, I don't fear Rooney anymore when I play United, pretty much all the players for example in any team have the ability to avoid tackles with lightening reflex if the CPU deems so. Heskey the other day, HESKEY now, scored a goal that Maradona would have been palming over, taking on three defenders with dynamic speed change before rifling in an unstoppable bullet in off the bar. Not only was it a contender for goal of the month, but goal of the century, I shit you not. I then watched Match of the Day later that night as my football knowledge may have been a little hazy on the development of the chosen one Emile.....needless to say, he doesn't do that in reality lol!
Carragher is useless on the game for some reason, someone like Coates is much more effective. They need to really knuckle down on what specifics are for each position. Someone like a Giggs for example is still World Class, he may have lost a yard or two but his passing and creativity are still superb, and at such a consistent level for a decade!
It seems KONAMI get drawn into fads, like Carroll at Newcastle; he's now unstoppable in the air when IRL he's like a big cry baby lol.
I also think looking back that the player individuality is still a problem, with regards to THE best players. I remember on demo 1 or 2 someone like Rooney would run the show, drop back into midfield, splay the ball around like a type of Gazza come support striker. Bale would take me on outside inside and basically you had to double up on him.
In retail there is player individuality with regards to feeling the difference between a slightly sluggish CB and a dynamic winger, but the key player differences are lost I feel. For example, I don't fear Rooney anymore when I play United, pretty much all the players for example in any team have the ability to avoid tackles with lightening reflex if the CPU deems so. Heskey the other day, HESKEY now, scored a goal that Maradona would have been palming over, taking on three defenders with dynamic speed change before rifling in an unstoppable bullet in off the bar. Not only was it a contender for goal of the month, but goal of the century, I shit you not. I then watched Match of the Day later that night as my football knowledge may have been a little hazy on the development of the chosen one Emile.....needless to say, he doesn't do that in reality lol!
StringerBell
Registered User
You guys are forgetting about player cards. Dont just look at the numbers :no:
Player cards matter too and most are actually correct but there aren't enough of them unlike FIFA's. There isn't a lot for defenders and none for keepers and they miss out a lot or playcards. Also, playcards shouldn't have a big impact on a rating like long-range drive shouldn't impact much
StringerBell
Registered User
Then name him worse then? Idk sure these players who are wonrg but I could counter with players who I think are rated perfectly. I've had to fix stats of certain players before I started my ML so yeah they do get players wrong but like I said its unrealistic to think they'll get everyone down to the T.
Doesn't really explain why Reina has such a short kick or that Dos Santos actually seems to be able to play football does it.
I agree
The fact that they can't get every player right has been conceded to. You are just going around in circles now. Also in Konami's defense, compiling data of this nature and on this scale is a massive undertaking. Its a very time consuming process. Ultimately they have to base their stats on a player's performance during a specific window of time. This window might not be a reflection of the player's present day performances. Depending on how long the process takes, the window they use to decide players' stats may be over a month old.
KONAMI hire people to do it so 1 year to correct player stats isn't hard, especially with the fact that pesstatsdatabase can help sometimes if you are unsure. Anyway, a lot of individual stats are fine - I look at Chicharito's stats and he has 89 response, 85 attack, 85 heading, 85 jump so I'd predict as a CF, his rating will be +80. But then I was shocked to find it was 74!
Pokervriend
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I dont really see the problem. Like stringerbell says it is impossible to get the rating for all the players right. Beside that, they CAN'T get it right, even if they spend 1 year analyzing the players. The reason; everyone has different opinions about a players ratings. If we all would analyze a player like Sneijder, we would all rate him different. I think he has the best free kick in the world, and a much better shot than for instance Messi. But maybe one of you guys thinks he's overrated and doesnt have such a good kick. So whydo you guys complain about the player stats. Especially since there are so much 'real problems' in the game.
Actually even talking about them getting it "right" is kind of pointless. Not to offend anyone, but how we see a soccer player is totally subjective. If i say that i think a player is awesome and should have this or that in a certain ability you may disagree or agree but who's right then?
There is really no facts about player abilities, since there can be hundreds of different opinions regarding one player. For instance i think Dame n'doye of FC Copenhagen is completely overrated, even though i support them in real life, and i think del piero is under rated, and maybe you think otherwise..
There is really no facts about player abilities, since there can be hundreds of different opinions regarding one player. For instance i think Dame n'doye of FC Copenhagen is completely overrated, even though i support them in real life, and i think del piero is under rated, and maybe you think otherwise..
StringerBell
Registered User
You must be new here then as this topic will in fact be brought up in the imminent future over and over again because someone down the road will be upset that their favorite player is rated "X". This whole topic is nothing new and thers really no answer to it. Change what you want or just deal with it. You cant please everyone as Ramus has said its all subjective...
It's not about getting it right, which is impossible, it is about getting some stats into a specific area like fetfatzidis should have a dribble speed of 80 to 90 - anywhere in between that is great - i'm not asking for an exact number, just a range. I don't want it in the 70-80 rating. A lot of people are complaining that C.ronaldo is overpowered because of his 94 shot accuracy but KONAMI should compare with othe players like it's be a bit weird having him as the third best shooter. Or look at pesstatsdatabase. It's about overpowered and underpoweredness - some players are rated bullcrap and some like the 'stars' are untouchable. C.ronaldo doesn't deserve nearly everystat over 90. I don't complain that KONAMI shouldd get every stat spot on - just to compare players like if you see messi and varela running for the ball and varela wins eventhough he was furthest away, he should have a little difference in speed with messi, not a big difference. Or if Messi outruns the whole on Man U, he should have over 82 top speed. Or if players are overpowered with their other stats - ibra 97 balance and 87 speed makes him impossible to stop eventhough he is stoppable.
Also to prove one of my other points, why do you think Alexis Sanchez was 75 but when he went to Barca he turned 85?
Again with Abu on this (making it a habit this week). The stats ARE important, VERY important and more time should be taken on the stats in my eyes. It is one of the main reasons why the game feels so broken to some this year more than any other year and why people are spending literally a hundred hours getting this mod, that mod, changing gamespeed, changing pitch angle etc etc, because of the huge imbalance the stats have on the game engine.
There is NO EXCUSE these days for getting the stats so blatantly wrong, and all these people that say 'oh poor KONAMI, but how have they got the time to assess all these players poo hoo hoo', are wrong. The trouble is, in my opinion, that people in KONAMI don't know enough about football; it's that simple. They cannot comprehend what stat implementations would have in the game and they cannot assess someone IRL and gauge correctly what the stats should be.
For example, everyone can kick a ball hard, but the difference between a top striker who may have 95 for shot power and someone in a poor team is huge. The guy in the poor team may have shot power set to 55 or something stupid, which is probably a little over what my 6 year old daughter can kick it at.
So things like this cause a HUGE discrepancy already. 95 shot power too high (for everybody combined with so called poor strikers having appalling stats).
There isn't an excuse guys, KONAMI have 365 days in a year; the trouble is I probably watch 100 times more football than KONAMI from my work room through the net, so even I, an amateur, have a far greater understanding of stats for example. Someone like Walcott for example is quick, lightening quick, but his final ball is poor. So this needs to be reflected. The game is also too fast on default game speed, and all this is down to the stats. Everybody seems to have turbo acceleration and speed. It seems these days games are built around these stats alone.
Take someone like Carragher for example, he's fkin useless in this game because he's slow etc, but there are no 'defender nous' stats, like reading the game, positioning etc etc.
This is why the game is such a shambles online. No disrespect to the community, but it's how the game out of the box is engineered to play, extremely fast ping pong football.
Take someone like Heskey for example; every fkin year for the last five years this guy is WAY WAY overrated. He's fkin useless IRL. Arshavin last year, he had form 8 lol, when he's one of the most inconsistent players in WORLD FOOTBALL!!
There's also this misconception that the Premier League and its players are like Gods. And that teams like Milan and Inter etc etc are also like God teams. Eto is always rated World Class for example in every game there is, he's untouchable on times. And yet IRL he has his good games I'm not saying, but he's inconsistent, has lots of baggage, upsets team mates etc etc all this isn't reflected in the game. When I first had the demos I was like wow, at the fact that KONAMI had replicated players like Ribbery, Robben, Bale etc etc, but now most of the players on the harder modes play the same, virtually anyone has the ability to ghost past defenders unless you use jockey hold all day. Nothing wrong with that, but when was the last time you say Heskey take on three players like an amped up Diego.
Everything in this game seems engineered and designed for all out pace and speed, to the detriment of the thinking man's player.
There is NO EXCUSE these days for getting the stats so blatantly wrong, and all these people that say 'oh poor KONAMI, but how have they got the time to assess all these players poo hoo hoo', are wrong. The trouble is, in my opinion, that people in KONAMI don't know enough about football; it's that simple. They cannot comprehend what stat implementations would have in the game and they cannot assess someone IRL and gauge correctly what the stats should be.
For example, everyone can kick a ball hard, but the difference between a top striker who may have 95 for shot power and someone in a poor team is huge. The guy in the poor team may have shot power set to 55 or something stupid, which is probably a little over what my 6 year old daughter can kick it at.
So things like this cause a HUGE discrepancy already. 95 shot power too high (for everybody combined with so called poor strikers having appalling stats).
There isn't an excuse guys, KONAMI have 365 days in a year; the trouble is I probably watch 100 times more football than KONAMI from my work room through the net, so even I, an amateur, have a far greater understanding of stats for example. Someone like Walcott for example is quick, lightening quick, but his final ball is poor. So this needs to be reflected. The game is also too fast on default game speed, and all this is down to the stats. Everybody seems to have turbo acceleration and speed. It seems these days games are built around these stats alone.
Take someone like Carragher for example, he's fkin useless in this game because he's slow etc, but there are no 'defender nous' stats, like reading the game, positioning etc etc.
This is why the game is such a shambles online. No disrespect to the community, but it's how the game out of the box is engineered to play, extremely fast ping pong football.
Take someone like Heskey for example; every fkin year for the last five years this guy is WAY WAY overrated. He's fkin useless IRL. Arshavin last year, he had form 8 lol, when he's one of the most inconsistent players in WORLD FOOTBALL!!
There's also this misconception that the Premier League and its players are like Gods. And that teams like Milan and Inter etc etc are also like God teams. Eto is always rated World Class for example in every game there is, he's untouchable on times. And yet IRL he has his good games I'm not saying, but he's inconsistent, has lots of baggage, upsets team mates etc etc all this isn't reflected in the game. When I first had the demos I was like wow, at the fact that KONAMI had replicated players like Ribbery, Robben, Bale etc etc, but now most of the players on the harder modes play the same, virtually anyone has the ability to ghost past defenders unless you use jockey hold all day. Nothing wrong with that, but when was the last time you say Heskey take on three players like an amped up Diego.
Everything in this game seems engineered and designed for all out pace and speed, to the detriment of the thinking man's player.
The thing is, Reina's ability to kick the ball way over the half-way line is not a matter of opinion as it is demonstrable. In the game however he has trouble even reaching the half way line with a goal kick or kicking out of his hands.
Just looking at some stats would help Konami too, Lucas for the past two season has been the top tackler in the Premier League and one of the top passers playing a hold role, yet he is rated better as central midfielder than a holding midfielder. Lucas was one of 2 players with over 100 tackles last season and he was top of that chart by quite a distance and had double any centre back had for example.
And god knows why they think Gerrard is at his best in a central midfield role when his best form has come playing as an attacking midfielder (07/08 and 08/09 specifically).