PS3: The Future of PES (wishlist)

[chrisius]

I like this idea - once a player retires, that should be it. Also I like the simulated matches in FIFA World Cup 2006. What the engine does, it simulates games before you play your fixture, so while you play it throws in updates on your screen for the games it simulated.

eg: you're in the Uefa Champ Lge, and it you need the team above you to lose, then whilst you're playing it will tell you the score of the fixtures and update the league standings ... that was a great touch in FIFA WC 06.

Yeah thats good, because currently it only shows you the scores at half time, the mathces are probably still simulated tho i guess.

 

[Ko_nami]

Also £500 may seem like a lot, but what you have to remember is that the high-end conslole will retail at around £430 - £450 mark with no games, so for £500 with 3 games, I think is prettygood becuase like I say I intended to flog these on Ebay as soon as possible, which I should get say around £90 back for ... so no £500 isn't bad overall - and like you I'm a hardcore techno-phobe and will buy everything the day it comes out regardless of price - heck I know for a fact when I get the PS3, it will be just another toy for me to admire becuase I won't be playing shit until mid Sping 2007when Assasin's Creed comes out!

Anyway always great to talk to a fellow gadget freak - you got yours booked yet Ko_nami?

No, I won't be pre-ordering mine. I'm gonna be waiting until the price drops.

I'm hoping that the Premium console's price drops to around £200. But I do realise that it might not happen for a couple of years. In any case, my PS2 still has a good couple of years left in it so I'm quite happy with that scenario should it happen.

In regards to the 360, a friend of mine owns one and I've played on it a few times. I have to admit that I'm not overly impressed by the controller. :no: And I've already told you that I'm not happy with Microsoft's insistence on paying at least another £150 to get a HD-DVD drive for the 360.

It came down to a choice in the end. And like I said earlier, I'm looking to purchase a HD/Blu-Ray compatible device in my house. Because I'm sure that in a few years down the line, I'm gonna buy a BD-RE drive for my PC anyway. The possibilities for Blu-Ray discs are endless. Can you imagine how much PC data you can store on a single layer BD disc? :dribble:

But if the HD DVD format becomes more popular then it's not a major problem for me. I'll probably end up buying a separate HD DVD-RW drive for my PC aswell.

EDIT: chrisius, maybe you should change the title of this thread to "PS3: The future of WE". It would make more sense.

 

[red]

Just a quick comment on player speeds and the clock in pes/we. and why it is so.

In theroy there should be a relation between the speed of players and the clock allowing then for the clock to be continous, however there is not and it would be strange if there was. let me explain if I can:

If you was playing a 90 min game then it should take a fast player about 12 seconds or less to run from touch line to touch line, in a 30 min game 4 seconds and a 5 min game less than a second, which of course is stupid but nonetheless realistic. so a speed is set seperate to the clock to keep the game enjoyable. Now if you did not stop the clock you would actually play very little with animations cut screens etc. Waiting for throw-ins would eat half the game up, OK you might say, the time can be calculated and added at the end of the game, but then you would have silly amounts of extra time which is not realistic either, for me the only solution is to stop the clock!

 

[red]

I too would like to see mangers itroduced, but with them styles of play, some teams being more defensive and playing on the break, some teams getting the ball outwide as much as possible, some more narrow. I feel, currently, each game is the same no matter whom you are playing or the formation they are using.

Visible aging players, a touch of grey as they hit their mid 30s a few lines around their eyes etc.

 

[chrisius]

Just a quick comment on player speeds and the clock in pes/we. and why it is so.

In theroy there should be a relation between the speed of players and the clock allowing then for the clock to be continous, however there is not and it would be strange if there was. let me explain if I can:

If you was playing a 90 min game then it should take a fast player about 12 seconds or less to run from touch line to touch line, in a 30 min game 4 seconds and a 5 min game less than a second, which of course is stupid but nonetheless realistic. so a speed is set seperate to the clock to keep the game enjoyable. Now if you did not stop the clock you would actually play very little with animations cut screens etc. Waiting for throw-ins would eat half the game up, OK you might say, the time can be calculated and added at the end of the game, but then you would have silly amounts of extra time which is not realistic either, for me the only solution is to stop the clock!

I agree, continuous clock isn't essential, its fina as it is for 10 minute games. no one would seriously play 90 minute games would they?

I too would like to see mangers itroduced, but with them styles of play, some teams being more defensive and playing on the break, some teams getting the ball outwide as much as possible, some more narrow. I feel, currently, each game is the same no matter whom you are playing or the formation they are using.

Visible aging players, a touch of grey as they hit their mid 30s a few lines around their eyes etc.

Visably aging players, now that would be amazing, in terms of graphics and intergration into gameplay.

 

[Level6]

Master League
- Goal of the Month/Season - Highlights and money/stats reward for winner
- Multiplayer Master League - i.e. 2 or more players can play in 1 master league each controlling their own team
- Turn off classic players in transfer market
- Name generation of retired players
- More Leagues, Divisions, Cups, Competitions
- International duty highlights or play as fix on international duty, and players stats increase while on duty or comeback with injury for example.
- Integrate international competitions in master league
- Deeper Master league - transfer market, keep players happy, deeper training, serious injuries with details, available manager jobs
- Commentators recall invents
- Resignation instead of GAME OVER - therefore have to look for new job
- End of season awards
- Records of stats such as goal keeper saves, total assists, etc.
- Player scouts
- Youth Team
- In depth transfer market and speculation
- Complain about inconsistent referees
- News - Headlines
- Fans/Press react to games, signings, success and failures
- Pre/Post match interview

I like these ideas for the Master League!

 

[chrisius]

I like these ideas for the Master League!

Thanks for the show of appreciation.

Just thought of a new one:

Referees/Linesmen have stats - consistency, desicion making, vision, harshness, top speed, acceleration and stamina (all that runnin up and down the pitch)

This could lead to create-a-referee.

Farfetched yes but is possible

what you guys think?

 

[red]

Thanks for the show of appreciation.

Just thought of a new one:

Referees/Linesmen have stats - consistency, desicion making, vision, harshness, top speed, acceleration and stamina (all that runnin up and down the pitch)

This could lead to create-a-referee.

Farfetched yes but is possible

what you guys think?

This is a good idea, plus in the ML they could also retire and new ones randomly generated, and If we ever get to all the teams in the world being included and the master league had say 4 divisions and not 1.5 then the lower rated refs would ref in the lower leagues. Resulting in different styles of play as some refs would break up the play more often, bad refs would give bad decisions, and as you move up the advantage rule being applied more etc.

And a further stretch, as we are moving towards a 11v11 what about the ref being a human controlled too"

 

[chrisius]

This is a good idea, plus in the ML they could also retire and new ones randomly generated, and If we ever get to all the teams in the world being included and the master league had say 4 divisions and not 1.5 then the lower rated refs would ref in the lower leagues. Resulting in different styles of play as some refs would break up the play more often, bad refs would give bad decisions, and as you move up the advantage rule being applied more etc.

And a further stretch, as we are moving towards a 11v11 what about the ref being a human controlled too"

Exactly.

I already mentioned online player referees in main post but ye that would be interesting...

 

[KainLegacy]

I just remembered a wish of mine,I had forgot:

I want 45 minutes half(its ridiculous to call it a "simulation" when you cant simulate the real game),30 max is stupid.From this comes to mind to make the game non stop flowing(you got a throw in and no black screen,but an animation with player going for the ball,while time is still running.If you press start,black screen and + 1,2 minutes or so,depending on the action).
The biggest porblem is they need to REALLY improve the defence to prevent 25-12 score or something like that and the greatest battle should in midfield,not running from one side to the other in 5 seconds.Not to mention the keepers,in real match a keeper can catch 25 hard shots to save his team,but in PES one time he saves and the other...

Many people asked for that already and its possible on next gen,360 degrees movement(8 way movement feels like nintendo 8-bit soccer game).Thats for now,if I got something else I will post...

Thats for chrisius,as it seems he missed it.I awlays play on 60 mins game and I HOPE they include 90 mins half so I can start playing PES seriously again

I agree, continuous clock isn't essential, its fina as it is for 10 minute games. no one would seriously play 90 minute games would they?

I will and I think MANY people will too,that way the stamina will drop REALISTICALLY,the concentration must be great from the player and is a test of endurance to survive more 5 mins,A REAL 5 MINS,thats like an eternity to defent in WC final,for example...
The defence and keepers must be SO GOOD,that scoring 4 goals to be HEROIC.
Sorry about the capitals,I wanted to make myself clear,thats my vision of the perfect football simulations,dont you people agree?

 

[chrisius]

I think 90 minutes would be best against a friend of the same ability as you otherwise AI will have to be improved drastically as 6 star games should be the hardest games of your life.
And if someone scores about 4 inside first 10 minutes heads are going to go down, mentality will creep in, and end up getting destroyed. But the full 90 minutes shold give time for great comebacks. Also the clock should keep running and no black screens for loading therefore players have to get the ball once out of play or ball boys provide for them.
90 minute gameplay should be separate from 10 minutes and should be worked on to get it right so the middle field battle is strog.

 

[red]

I play 10mins in the ML and upto 20 mins with friends 2v2 or 3v3, but 90 mins seems a little extreme to me, personally I would rather have several games than one epic in an evening. That said I would consider 90mins playing 11 v 11.

 

[dazmister]

one day but no time soon i dont think.maybe pes 12 all this will be done for.

 

[chrisius]

Yeah lol. I dont expect most of the things to be implemented till late future.

 

[Venolan]

(Probably my first detailed thread.)

*1*This is a thread about what would be awesome to see in the future of Pro Evolution Soccer games on the PS3

*2* - 11 on 11 fix online master league -

*1* Well you will have to wait a few years so by then you could probably design your own Stadium etc.

*2* 11 on 11? I feel sorry for the Goalkeeper. :blush:

 

[chrisius]

*1* Well you will have to wait a few years so by then you could probably design your own Stadium etc.

*2* 11 on 11? I feel sorry for the Goalkeeper. :blush:

Yeah thats another 1 im not expecting to happen too soon. But
11 on 11 and online master league are coming, SEABASS said himself. I think there would be a lack of goalkeepers too, and maybe centre backs. I like to play CMF in fix mode. Maybe 10v10 will be most popular, excludin the goalkeepers, were almost half way there with 4v4.

 

[red]

Yeah thats another 1 im not expecting to happen too soon. But
11 on 11 and online master league are coming, SEABASS said himself. I think there would be a lack of goalkeepers too, and maybe centre backs. I like to play CMF in fix mode. Maybe 10v10 will be most popular, excludin the goalkeepers, were almost half way there with 4v4.

I play CMF in fixed mode, but I have tried keeper, CB, LB, LMF and DMF. I think that playing 11 v 11 the keeper would be more interesting as you would get more longer range shots to deal with, I do believe that the controls need to be changed for the keeper though, so you can chose when and where you dive etc. I think that this will soon become available on the next gen consoles.

 

[God Hand]

What I would want is to have facilities and such.. basically pretend you have General Manager stats (scouting..gym..travel etc) what these do is separate different club and club styles, for instance the "scouting" stat.. just imagine you can have.. lets say 5 levels..? Level 0 would mean your scoutings shitty.. Level 3 might allow you to see the graphs of other players (from past to present) while a Level 5 might be able to predict maybe future points to the graph? (my explainings pretty crappy but bare with me)
Travelling would have levels as well.. each level will improve all your players stats by slightly when you play away, so maybe *insert amazingly good road team* would have a level 4 or sth
You could probably spend ~20,000 points for levels..? and to max out levels it'll be much higher
Also throwing this out there maybe have things like stats that
- help you negotiate easier? or attract players better?
-home/away game increase
- maybe just skills increase? (or you can involve coaches more where different coaches improve certain aspects of all players)
-maybe something to attract home attendance (which might involve earning revenue from tickets..sponsors? which would lead to new shirt designs =P k thats probly to extreme but maybe tv contract deals?)
- a specialized coach who improves your goalies
and yeahh just ideas
hope i didnt re-type sth that sum1 previously said already