Psm3 thoughts on pes2010

[shaun7]

Yes, but fifa has better shooting animations, and more are being added.

You cannot compare passing pes to fifa right now, seriously.

Keepers are better in fifa imo because they can actually hold the ball.

+ Manual control

+ 50 new movement cycles

+ 360 Movement

The double standards on this forum are hilarous, when fifa implements 360 movement, its not a big deal, it might not work, etc.

If pes 2010 had it, you lot would be going nutz about how exciting it is, because no sane person is going to prefer a CPU automated, 8 directional game with less teams and less staduims, when they can play a semi-manual/manual game, with 360 movement, more teams, more staduims, more players, more cups, and a vastly improved career mode.

Its the same with the master league, after 10 years it got real money and people are going nutz over that as a majot improvement, but EA are way ahead of the game and next season you will get different types of budget from the board, sponsorship, player transfers are more engrossing with bidding wars, and news on who/who isnt for sale, the board will fire you if you dont produce results, players make decisions on who to join based on prestidge of club rather than just money etc etc etc. Again, pes fans would be goin nutz if this stuff was in pes.

This is the problem with this forum, when the idea is in fifa, that means its shit, when PES get it about a year later, its amazing.

lol.

I am not one of them though. I am reasonable. You are not. Sorry to say this but you are really defending fifa and bashing pes saying it's bad and nothing is right.
I suggest we wait and see how both games will come up.
I have always said this.
Also I said this countless times that I prefer fifa 09 to pes 09. But both are disgrace in my opinion compared to other great games. They are peanuts for a ps3 to handle. They both could have been much better.
And also, about graphics. I think they are very important (not as important as gameplay) . In the final rating and judgement of the game, graphics play a very big part (not as gameplay though). So fifa fails in that aspect. Do not tell me how great it looks from afar because graphics are everything not just afar.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I am not one of them though. I am reasonable. You are not. Sorry to say this but you are really defending fifa and bashing pes saying it's bad and nothing is right.
I suggest we wait and see how both games will come up.
I have always said this.
Also I said this countless times that I prefer fifa 09 to pes 09. But both are disgrace in my opinion compared to other great games. They are peanuts for a ps3 to handle. They both could have been much better.
And also, about graphics. I think they are very important (not as important as gameplay) . In the final rating and judgement of the game, graphics play a very big part (not as gameplay though). So fifa fails in that aspect. Do not tell me how great it looks from afar because graphics are everything not just afar.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything said above?

Nothing.

We are talking about comparing Passing, keepers, and AI in both games, not just movement, in those aspects, fifa is pretty much ahead.

So stick to the questions, and dont be coming out with the same old post which doesnt make any sense given the context.

To confirm,

You said we shouldnt just judge the games on movement because its not fair, but on AI, passing, Keepers etc.

Well now we are judging the current games and prospective games on these critieria, so you either debate that, or hold your peace.

ps. As for the point about let's see, here's my point

no sane person is going to prefer a CPU automated, 8 directional game with less teams and less staduims,

when they can play a semi-manual/manual game, with 360 movement, more teams, more staduims, more players, more cups, and a vastly improved career mode.

Therefore, that kind of indicates the direction in which the PES series needs to go, rather than fucking around with untucked shirts and tactics gages.

Its called Logic.

One more thing about a comment you made "Graphics play a big part" lol.

Funny how when PES was by far the better game, but fifa had the graphics, the graphics didnt matter, now fifa is better, the graphics do matter.

I mean when you hear PES fans talk about great graphics, that alone tells you there is an issue with the series, seeing as the whole damn foundations of pes were gameplay and realism > graphics.

 

[Jess C]

fifa is the most unrealistic game ever.... you can score from halfway all the time...and also passing it across the goalie for a certian easy tap in goal its pathetic..... the only thing fifa has going for it are the licenses and even then the players look retarded... also tackaling is fucked all you have to do is run into someone and you come away with the ball no tackling needed....

pes is by far better in every aspect (not saying its perfect) but fifa has a long long way to go

It's obvious you haven't played FIFA 08 or 09.

 

[Tech_Skill]

One more rant

Here's one of the major reasons why PES is on the decline.

The level of feedback some of the fans give is poor.

PES2009 is the 2nd worst pes of all time, with PES2008 the undisputed champ.

And you got so-called pes veterans saying

"Lets talk about the positives, these bits are great"

I dont give a rats ass fuck about whats great, the shit needs to be indentified, that way one day in about 2011 when Konami finally decide to take some feedback on board they might see what the fuck is actually going on.

You get these fans coming about with "If its like pes6 , its gonna be the best game ever"

Living in the past, thats like saying "If fifa goes back to 94 when it was the best, pes is finished"

Its nonsense.

The whole game needs a revamp,

New game engine needed (physics)
move directional movement
Proper Master league re vamp needed at the very least.

 

[Foxhound]

You get these fans coming about with "If its like pes6 , its gonna be the best game ever"

I have to agree with you there. I've seen members suggesting Konami to use the PES 5 gameplay as the base, some animations from previous PES, etc, and PES2010 would be one of the best of the series. From my point of view, especially the animations part, that would still make PES2010 being outdated.

As for me, I won't make any criticism of PES2010 until I've played the demo.

 

[shankly is god]

It's obvious you haven't played FIFA 08 or 09.

its quite obvious i have pal im describing the game in very good detail with its lack of passion.....this whole fifa 09 thing has to be laid to bed as no one is going to back down....this is a thread about pes 2010 i suggest we start talking about that again

 

[Tech_Skill]

I have to agree with you there. I've seen members suggesting Konami to use the PES 5 gameplay as the base, some animations from previous PES, etc, and PES2010 would be one of the best of the series. From my point of view, especially the animations part, that would still make PES2010 being outdated.
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Welcome to common sense, at last.

Football video games are moving on, and have moved on since pes 5/6.

 

[Kevthedrummer]

Welcome to common sense, at last.

Football video games are moving on, and have moved on since pes 5/6.

For better or worse though? Neither PES or FIFA have been fun to play since PES 6. Actual fun. None of them have me craving to play, to go back to. PES 6 STILL does, after nearly 4 years.

They need to take a step back to move forwards. If what you want is this new direction of football games, like recent FIFAs, then we are entering the dark ages for football gaming. That's not a dig at FIFA, I recognise the quality of the game, it simply is not fun to play and neither is PES. In my opinion of course.

 

[shankly is god]

Welcome to common sense, at last.

Football video games are moving on, and have moved on since pes 5/6.

tech we gather you love fifa and yes your probs right it has more manual control than pes 09 i played fifa last night with all assists turned of and i noticed more about the gameplay than with the cpu assisting my passes etc...it was actually fun...that aside i still found things to be unrealstic like player movement, pace etc.

for me id say pes is better as im not bothered about power bar passing or pens because i press pass it goes where i want and if the opp team intercept then its my fault.....i look for in pes the realistic stats and player faces.....ill admit that pes 09 was a complete let down that game was 50% complete and they shouved it out like that.

i really do think the way you act mate results in people not willing to tolerate you if someone says they dont agree with you, you then throw your dummy outta the cott, if you dont agree with people just come back with constructive criticism.
dant wanna see you get banned now.

 

[Tech_Skill]

For better or worse though? Neither PES or FIFA have been fun to play since PES 6. Actual fun. None of them have me craving to play, to go back to. PES 6 STILL does, after nearly 4 years.

They need to take a step back to move forwards. If what you want is this new direction of football games, like recent FIFAs, then we are entering the dark ages for football gaming. That's not a dig at FIFA, I recognise the quality of the game, it simply is not fun to play and neither is PES. In my opinion of course.

I found fifa 09 very good, just not for sustained period of time, they need to work on making it more engrossing, because technically, i prefer the gamplay to pes 5/6 because i can weight my own passes and it gives me more control, but it doesnt have the longevity and customisation ablity that those two games had.

So in that respect, I can see where you are coming from.

However once again, I believe EA are taking steps forward to bring football onto a proper next gen platform. 360 movement, skill dribbling, the new defending system, these are all steps forwards.

In particulary the new defending system, if you have seen the supposedly real video of leaking fifa 10 gameplay, that defending is unlike anything ive ever seen in a game.

If youve seen the video, you will know what I mean.

EA are taking step forwards to make their game next generation, konami are not, this is why they are in serious trouble.

It comes down to the same point I keep making

Other than fanboys, who is going to choose an 8 directional cpu automated game with less players and teams, over one with full manual control and 360 movement, with alot more team and players and a possibly deeper career mode?

Thus why reverting back to pes5/6 does nothing.

 

[greekwow]

360o Moving is so BIG that it will change the football experience,

 

[greekwow]

For better or worse though? Neither PES or FIFA have been fun to play since PES 6. Actual fun. None of them have me craving to play, to go back to. PES 6 STILL does, after nearly 4 years.

They need to take a step back to move forwards. If what you want is this new direction of football games, like recent FIFAs, then we are entering the dark ages for football gaming. That's not a dig at FIFA, I recognise the quality of the game, it simply is not fun to play and neither is PES. In my opinion of course.

FIFA 09 is way better than arcade PES 6...

 

[dudeins]

Why does everybody hate PES08/09? I love those games! I havent seen any decline in gameplay so far. Not the game has to evolve.. the gamer has to change and get used to the new game.

I have to say that I'm a die hard PES Fan.. but if Fifa achieves to pull off a decent Soccer game where i would feel in control of the players, then i would actualy change from PES to FIFA.. but that hasnt happened. Lets wait for the Demos of both games and then we can discuss this.

 

[Kevthedrummer]

FIFA 09 is way better than arcade PES 6...

In my opinion!

 

[Tech_Skill]

FIFA 09 is way better than arcade PES 6...

Ermm, not way better, in terms of gamplay, yes, its deffo a step forward.

But pes 6 was more complete in terms of longevity. I managed to get 2 years out of that game, cos PES 2008 was such an abortion.

But, fifa 09 is more realistic on the pitch.

 

[Kevthedrummer]

But then there's the whole debate of realism vs fun.

 

[Macksam]

If pes 2010 had it, you lot would be going nutz about how exciting it is, because no sane person is going to prefer a CPU automated, 8 directional game with less teams and less staduims, when they can play a semi-manual/manual game, with 360 movement, more teams, more staduims, more players, more cups, and a vastly improved career mode.

I'll still prefer PES if the final third is still unpredictible and exciting as it's ever been. If FIFA can offer a final third with good scoring and exciting gameplay like PES, I'll take a look at it.

Funny how when PES was by far the better game, but fifa had the graphics, the graphics didnt matter, now fifa is better, the graphics do matter.

I take it you mean last generation (PS2, Xbox) when saying PES was the better game. If that is the case, I think you'll find everyone agrees that PES had the better graphics during the period. FIFA looked and played horribly last on Xbox and PS2.

New game engine needed (physics)

Not really. Ball physics are still great, and much better than FIFA.

 

[Tech_Skill]

But then there's the whole debate of realism vs fun.

I play for realism, not saying fun doesnt matter, but alot of my fun comes from playing a realistic game of football.

Ive always gone for the most realistic game, years ago it was pes5/6, now imo its not.

If pes can make the most realistic game again, then i'll support it.

 

[Stormrider]

One more thing about a comment you made "Graphics play a big part" lol.

Funny how when PES was by far the better game, but fifa had the graphics, the graphics didnt matter, now fifa is better, the graphics do matter.

I mean when you hear PES fans talk about great graphics, that alone tells you there is an issue with the series, seeing as the whole damn foundations of pes were gameplay and realism > graphics.

I'm sure most will agree Pes always had the better graphics even on ps2. Sure Fifa had the scale, better stadiums, fans, all that hoopla but the animations, player models, and faces were piss poor. You can say it doesn't matter when its zoomed out so much but it does and should. You'll see a closeup everytime they score and its such a turn off when it turns out to be someone from Dawn of the Dead instead of an actual baller. Looks like it'll be the same this year, and probably by the biggest margin ever.

Also don't get the "ultra realism" of Fifa 09. The ball's a balloon in that game which is so wrong and causes long balls to be far too accurate. The variety of attacking options is also really limited and unspectacular. Don't get me wrong Pes 09 is far from ultra realistic too but I feel gameplay wise when you have possession of the ball it does more things right than Fifa. Without the ball its a completely different story however, especially BAL!

 

[Tech_Skill]

Also don't get the "ultra realism" of Fifa 09.

Neither do I mate, probably because i never said it's ultra realistic, its just more realistic than pes 2009, and to answer your other comment, on the ball is one of the pes 2009's worst aspects, the passing is horrible, hit and miss depending on what the AI decides, as its you pressing a button and hoping the AI sorts the rest out for you rather than you weighting in the pass yourself, the movement is so rigid its unreal, its actually worse on the ball than the ps2 versions, that how far backwards that game went.