The Always Disappointing "Classic Players".

[Amateur]

I know The priority of Konami has always been (with the exception of PES08) the gameplay -however- after playing PES4, PES5, and PES6 -I- cannot help but wonder WHY Konami still hasn't included a single "Classic Player" with his real-life face.

I know it's not a huge deal, but in my opinion it is disappointing to see that players such as Peter Crouch have spot-on (customized) faces -while- on the other hand, all-time greats such as Pele and Maradona have random faces that aren't even slightly similar to their real-life counterparts.

So I'm just curious.. Why is that?? Konami needs some Licenses they don't have?? Or Konami simply doesn't takes the time to at least customize the Classic Players?

I'm just wondering, because even if Konami (for whatever the reason) can't have players named as "Diego Maradona" or "Pele" or "Johan Cruijff" -I- think that customizing their faces would please some fans -as- we can easily change the names ourselves.

And by the way, I also noticed that EA Sport's FIFA has featured a "Classic XI" team in their latest games (FIFA07 and FIFA08) -and- the Cassic XI team includes; Franco Baresi, Franz Beckenbauer, Zico, Gheorge Hagi, Eric Cantona, and a few others.

So, NOT even EA Sports has managed to include the Classic Players that people really want to see; Diego Maradona, Pele, Johan Cruijff, Alfredo Di Stefano, Garrincha, Roberto Baggio, George Best, Bobby Moore, Eusebio, Zinedine Zidane, Michel Platini, Carlos Valderrama, Fernando Hierro, etc, etc..

I think it is because of Licenses.. but I'm not sure, and I certainly don't have any FACTS to confirm that -So- any reliable information about this would be appreciated.

Anyways, I made this Post; Firstly because I wanted to know if someone knows WHY is this. Secondly, to see what some of you think about this -and- Mainly, because I wanted to post my own Solution to this Unimportant Issue.

My Alternative is this.. If anyone can remember PES4, PES5 or PES6 -then- you'll be familiar with the Editing Modes and with the FACT that we could create Boots such as; Nike Vapors, Puma Legends, Uhlsports, Diadoras, Asics, etc, etc..

So I think a simple ALTERNATIVE to this Issue could be done by using the same concept of the "Boot Editing". For Example, unlocking a Classic Player's Face by doing a series of combinations (similar to the ones we had with the Editing of the Boots).

This way, even if Maradona is some Argentine named "Arjona" and haves some random face -We- can "unlock" Maradona's face by doing a particular series of combinations between different noses, eyes, lips, cheeks, hairstyles, etc, etc..

I think this would be a good and simple alternative to that small issue, and it would also be a New Feature to the Editing Mode.

 

[cwildey]

lol screw you dick head

also. zico, baresi and beckenbauer are 3 of the best ever players so stop your bitching

 

[Bite.Me]

I've only played with classic players since they've been available, in one ML....

That's 5 or 6 different games, dozens of MLs and only one had classics...

It's fun to see their stats and all, but I don't actually use them....

 

[.:jester:.]

tbh unless they're are in a classic XI team then i dont see the point in them, at least fifa make use of em.

 

[MC_Duds]

do you have any idea how much money Maradona demands to have his likeness in a video game?

are you aware of the copyrite laws you are asking Konami to infringe by having them put in spot on faces for pele, maradona etc. but change their names?

you are an idiot. if you want this done then send konami at least 10 million euros.

 

[proevofan88]

lol why dont u guys calm down? he posts about classic players all the time, he likes it and so be it. No need to crazy on him because of that.

anyway, never was a big deal to me with classic players but it certainly not hurt to have them in the game

 

[BonBon]

does anyone no if te brazilian Ronaldo is in the game as a classic player?

 

[Amateur]

The only "Dick Heads" and "Idiots" in here are you guys, what?? Did you think Konami had a License to have exact Copies of Nike Vapors??

Well, NO they didn't had a License for that -and- yet, they (somehow) managed to get them Nike Vapors into the game.. They did the same with other Boots as well.

So it is quite simple to be honest, they create some Distorted Faces of Zidane, Pele, Maradona, etc, etc.. They give them random Names, random Hairstyles, etc, etc.. This way, we would have to Tweak with the Faces ourselves, change the Dimensions, change the Hairstyles -until- we can finally achieve spot on versions of themselves.

Just like we did with the Nike Vapors.

By the way, Konami still had the Faces of Roy Keane, Dennis Bergkamp, Zinedine Zidane, and a few others -AFTER- they had Retired. Roberto Baggio is a Retired player, Valderrama is another retired player, Maradona is another retired player, etc, etc..

How can they feature Zinedine Zidane's Face -but- not Maradona's?? If anything, the only player who would actually charge for this would be Pele and Maradona -but- they could easily feature Roberto Baggio, Romario, Beckenbauer, Johan Cruijff, and the rest of them. Of course, Not with their Names, but Who would care as long as they have their Proper Faces.

Most of you don't care about Classic Players -and- that's fine with me.. But as a Long Time Football Fan, I would like to have spot on versions of the greatest exponents of Football. This way I can create a decent looking All-Time XI.

And lastly, I don't know Why I even take the Time to argue with Kids who can only come up with comments such as "Dick Head" and "Idiot". I mean, was it nessesary?

 

[ibrarocks]

I'm PES player since 1998 (it was ISS back than), but this year I chose FIFA over PES. I always had Classic Players in my ML team. I'm a big fan of Legends. On FIFA, the faces are spot on in Classic XI, BUT there only 15/16 players. Your idea is great, but I doubt Konami will add it, cause there few people, like us, who loves to use legends.

 

[Amateur]

I'm PES player since 1998 (it was ISS back than), but this year I chose FIFA over PES. I always had Classic Players in my ML team. I'm a big fan of Legends. On FIFA, the faces are spot on in Classic XI, BUT there only 15/16 players. Your idea is great, but I doubt Konami will add it, cause there few people, like us, who loves to use legends.

I think the Reason why so much people don't care about "Classic Players" -is- because, lets be honest, Classic Players look crappy with their random Faces. It makes the game Look and Feel Cheap.

I think it would be completely Different if the likes of Pele and Maradona actually looked like themselves, then we would probably have a lot of fans creating their own All-Time XI Teams.

Wich I kind of find odd.. I mean, any self-respecting Football Fan would love to play Maradona with Pele, with Cruijff, with Romario, with Eusebio, with Baggio, etc, etc..

The Boring part is that it always works, it would be far more pleasing if the game provided more of a challenge in terms of Team Selection/Team Chemistry.

As for Classic Teams vs the Realism of the game, In this aspect I couldn't care less about the Realism of the Game -as- I'm more interested in creating All-Time Teams, and then mixing them altogether with Modern Teams.

By the way, you said you're going to play FIFA09 this year, for How Long have you played FIFA09?? Maybe you might find yourself buying PES09 in a week or two.

If so, I'm pretty good at creating accurate versions of Classic Players in PES, not Identical, but fairly accurate. So if you get to play PES09 for whatever the reason, I can Post a few of the ones I've managed to create.

 

[DM86]

Guys.. behave yourselfs. They can't even get the current players faces right (I mean the majority of players have fake faces. The players wth real faces look quality). There are not enough licensed players in the game without them worrying about a bunch of classic. I agree if they had implemented these players, then I wouldn't grumble. More the merrier, but I would rather have real current players faces then classic. Just a waste of memory in my opinion. I mean, they have classic fuckin Germany, but the current German team is all fake. Konami aint got a bloody clue.

 

[Amateur]

Guys.. behave yourselfs. They can't even get the current players faces right (I mean the majority of players have fake faces. The players wth real faces look quality). There are not enough licensed players in the game without them worrying about a bunch of classic. I agree if they had implemented these players, then I wouldn't grumble. More the merrier, but I would rather have real current players faces then classic. Just a waste of memory in my opinion. I mean, they have classic fuckin Germany, but the current German team is all fake. Konami aint got a bloody clue.

Yeah, you'd rather have a LOT of average players -instead- of the Most Influential Football Players yet.. I'm sorry, but that's BS.

Waste of memory?? The UEFA Champions League being a Separate Mode.

But yeah, Classic Players aren't really a Priority -although- I'd rather have Pele and Maradona with their Real Faces over ANY of the current players.

 

[DM86]

Well sorry to piss on ya bombfire mate, but it aint gonna happen.

I never said jackshit about the CL... But that is a move in the right direction.

Why live in the past mate, you need to move on.

 

[Amateur]

Well sorry to piss on ya bombfire mate, but it aint gonna happen.

I never said jackshit about the CL... But that is a move in the right direction.

Why live in the past mate, you need to move on.

It's not about living in the Past.. it's just about Recreating something you'd like to see, for example Pele and Maradona playing on the same Team, simply seeing and playing as a "Fantastic" Team.

Still, even if Classic Players had their proper faces, it would be Impossible to have a Realistic Simulation of How it would (or should) turn out.

The current set of Stats and Special Abilities is very Outdated -and- we still cannot create accurate versions of Extraordinary players such as; Pele, Maradona, Cruijff, Valderrama, Riquelme, Zidane, Romario, Van Nistelrooy, etc, etc..

We still don't have real TEAMS, we don't have Team Chemistry, we don't have Player Tendencies, etc, etc.. The team with the better players usually wins.

And we all know that it isn't all about playing Kaka, with Leo Messi, with Cristiano Ronaldo, with Fernando Torres, with Ibrahimovich, etc, etc..

A TEAM is a much more Interesting and complicated thing, I think Konami would provide us with a better challenge if they actually Introduced something New into the game.

Maybe, a few New Stats and Special Abilities, a New Feature such as Player Tendencies. Something that can challenge us into making and dealing with a Realistic TEAM -rather- than just having Stats determining How good a TEAM is or should be.

Anyways, considering that, even if all the players had their proper Faces; Pele, Maradona, Cruijff, everyone.. I still would not "Feel" the Differences between them, I still would not feel certain Restrictions that should be in the game.

So basically, you get a better range of Differences between players in PES, as in FIFA every player feels more or less Identical.

But still, the current set of Stats and Special Abilities available in PES isn't nearly enough to cover for Unique players such as the ones I've already mentioned. So again, considering this, I don't really care about Classic Players with their proper Faces for Now.

If anything, I can Already create fairly accurate versions of the Legends I want.. But still, I'm just saying, I don't see what's so hard about Including the greatest exponents of Football in a Football Sim.

I mean, that just sounds Logical to me -Any- Next Gen Football Sim should feature Maradona, Pele, Cruijff, Zidane, and the rest of them. Just like any Boxing game should feature Muhamad Ali as an unlockable character.

Although Like I said, even if Classic Players where Fully Edited, it would be like driving a Ferrari with a Honda motor. It just looks the part, but doesn't "feels" like it.

 

[DM86]

I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.

 

[aoAaron]

I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.

you
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idiot

 

[Enitza]

No faces for classic players 'cos dumbass kids these days haven't got a slightest idea who is Batistuta, Romario, Matthaeus, Baresi... And the game itself is, unfortunatlly, meant especially for them - Dumbass kids. That's why KONAMI won't bother with the greatness of classic ones.

 

[Enitza]

I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.

Bit rasistic but quite right.

 

[.:jester:.]

I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.

not being funny but seeing as konami are an asian company, i think they have every right to put in the japanese team etc. and plus how is getting rid of those teams going to make it easier to create the legends?

 

[LostHorizon]

I remember picking up zidane, platini and baggio either in PES6 or 08, my juve was invincible! Anyway, what they need is to join forces with football manager. will be the best game ever!