RAMAXWY
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:shocking: come on man u can't honestly tell me u don't agree with that.
The GAMESCOM Thread
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The_Difman
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At the end of the day, FIFA has stolen PES concepts, PES has stolen FIFA concepts. Long as they make both games better, I couldn't care less what gets stolen ...
... within reason of course - I wouldnt be too impressed with Konami if they stole this set piece editor in FIFA, like I'm not too impressed that FIFA stole the whole BAP/BAL concept from Winning Eleven (apparently) & made out like it was their own creation from scratch
... within reason of course - I wouldnt be too impressed with Konami if they stole this set piece editor in FIFA, like I'm not too impressed that FIFA stole the whole BAP/BAL concept from Winning Eleven (apparently) & made out like it was their own creation from scratch
Tech_Skill
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Its not about stealing.
Its about emulating.
Back in the day fifa emulated the better game........pes
Now its the other way around.
Nothing about stealing.
Baddar
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But the fact is, if the set-piece editor goes over well, Konami will want to implement it themselves.
There's nothing wrong with that either. They want to make their game as successful as possible, and if they think a set-piece editor is what fans like, that's what they'll get.
I'm sure EA/Konami couldn't care less whether they've "copied" an idea from the other. It boils down to what's going to make them money.
There's nothing wrong with that either. They want to make their game as successful as possible, and if they think a set-piece editor is what fans like, that's what they'll get.
I'm sure EA/Konami couldn't care less whether they've "copied" an idea from the other. It boils down to what's going to make them money.
Tech_Skill
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Once again, its not about stealing.
Its simple logic, if fifa is way off, why does pro evo emulate fifa ideas?
Simple logical question.
If the idea was shit, pes wouldnt bother with them.
And yes there is already talk of them emulating the custom set peices.
Again, if the idea is shit, why would they bother?
RAMAXWY
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agree, if it's a good idea why not use it.
the whole world lives by this so why wouldn't the gaming world.
The_Difman
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When I said stole, I meant emulated, copied, borrowed, whatever - it's still more or less the same thing.
I think there would be a massive woolapalooza though if FIFA "emulated" the set-piece creator from PES - you wouldn't hear the end of it from PES fans, they would be outraged like no other.
Long as we get 2 good games, what does it really matter, eh?
RAMAXWY
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the problem i have with u saying this is that you can never know were the ideas came from in the first place so cant know who is stealing from who.
i heard a while back that 2 KONAMI developers moved to EA so who can tell me they didn't take a list of things that KONAMI was about to implement with them to EA, which EA can implement much faster than KONAMI because of the resources they've got.
seems a little far fetched but hey who knows and to be honest they FIFA games improved nicely after that happened didn't it.( those two developers really stuck it to KONAMI ).
The_Difman
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I'm sure that when they signed their contracts that they had a confidentiality/privacy clause in there. Hell, I've got one and I work for a web development company. Saying that if I left, I can't take any programming or anything I developed with me. Although if it was just an idea in my head, that's a different story to if it was discussed/in development
Baddar
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It's what makes it pointless arguing any case about either game 90% of the time.
It can always boil down to "Yes, this feature is in FIFA, but who's to say it didn't start in PES with Dave the developer?" - And that's correct, RAMAXWY. We're not gonna know a definite answer to most of the things that get argued.
It can always boil down to "Yes, this feature is in FIFA, but who's to say it didn't start in PES with Dave the developer?" - And that's correct, RAMAXWY. We're not gonna know a definite answer to most of the things that get argued.
The_Difman
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iosonocanadese
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OK, 'tis starting to look like once again the list of teams on wiki is mostly fake... ugh. Why do people do that? annoying. This is the first time I've really followed the development of a PES game, when is the real list of licensed teams usually available?
Anyway, one thing that looked a bit worrying in the videos I've seen thus far is that the player with the ball can sprint a lot faster than the computer defenders and as such it's very easy to resort to the old FIFA strategy of running down the wing and cutting in. That better get sorted by October... And another thing, the animations seem a bit lacking and the players still look stupid whilst running, but hopefully at least one of the two are sorted out. The running isn't really a big deal to me at all compared to the actual gameplay itself.
Anyway, one thing that looked a bit worrying in the videos I've seen thus far is that the player with the ball can sprint a lot faster than the computer defenders and as such it's very easy to resort to the old FIFA strategy of running down the wing and cutting in. That better get sorted by October... And another thing, the animations seem a bit lacking and the players still look stupid whilst running, but hopefully at least one of the two are sorted out. The running isn't really a big deal to me at all compared to the actual gameplay itself.
RAMAXWY
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yeah that's why i don't really care were the ideas come from or who implements it first as long as it's a good idea it must be used.if it makes the games better in the end, we as gamers are the winners.
The_Difman
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Wasn't that everyones tactics in PES2-6? Do you mean cutting in as in cutting in to shoot or cut back cross? Cos the cut back cross tactic, although brilliant back in the day, does get VERY old year after year
Perfectstrik
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Ive been going through the fifa10 videos and pes2010 videos with a fine tooth comb and some things really stand out.
Fifa10 seems very player one on one orientated with not as good player support off the ball and plays out at one standard tempo which is very slow.
Pes2010 on the other hand seems very team shape focused using your shape to press and defend with much better player support and the speed is dependent on the system being used and the playing style of the user which is very realistic as it varys.Also the passing is more true with a better arcing long pass and smooth through pass.
Theres also no doubt fifa10 is complete whear as pes2010 seems to be using a lot of the older pes09 animations with some newer ones interlaced.
A good journalist friend of mine has tryed a more recent build of pes2010 and has confirmed to me it has a lot more newer animations but is glitchy and explained this is the reason why konami are showing a older build with more of pes09s animations as currently its more stable then the newer code.
He also added the newer build is frightenly realistic and makes the game look much more fluid and that the build at gamescom looks completely different as the player movement at gamescom is only 16-way not 360 like in the newer build.
Fifa10 seems very player one on one orientated with not as good player support off the ball and plays out at one standard tempo which is very slow.
Pes2010 on the other hand seems very team shape focused using your shape to press and defend with much better player support and the speed is dependent on the system being used and the playing style of the user which is very realistic as it varys.Also the passing is more true with a better arcing long pass and smooth through pass.
Theres also no doubt fifa10 is complete whear as pes2010 seems to be using a lot of the older pes09 animations with some newer ones interlaced.
A good journalist friend of mine has tryed a more recent build of pes2010 and has confirmed to me it has a lot more newer animations but is glitchy and explained this is the reason why konami are showing a older build with more of pes09s animations as currently its more stable then the newer code.
He also added the newer build is frightenly realistic and makes the game look much more fluid and that the build at gamescom looks completely different as the player movement at gamescom is only 16-way not 360 like in the newer build.
iosonocanadese
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Nah, I mean the FIFA 97-09 tactic of making a massive run down the wing, cutting inside at the 18 and shooting... lol
Works for me on every single game.
I don't really use the cut-back cross thing anyway, I like to make pretty build-ups.
iosonocanadese
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Interesting, I hope you're right about the animations. One thing I'd also like to see is a slower power-up on shots, from watching the vids it seems it's still hard to place shots along the ground.
Tech_Skill
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Again your opinion, but I can tell you now, wait for the impartial reviews and playtests, because pes did not impress at gamescom. Alot of the reponses were not good.
iosonocanadese
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Actually, all the reviews I've read thus far have been quite positive... Of course, like they do every year, Gamespot are sending up FIFA like no tomorrow, because these days they give good reviews to any game published by one of the big companies. Even the PES titles with the best gameplay like 5 got a lower rating than that year's crusty FIFA. FIFA 06 got a 9.2 FFS, and FIFA 2003 which may be the worst football game I've ever played got a great rating as well.
The usual FIFA formula is to introduce some flashy new features each year to distract people from the terribly flawed game underneath long enough so by the time they realize it sucks it's too late to get a full refund. FIFA 08 looked really great when I first started playing it, but after a couple months I came to find that the AI was absolutely awful. Your teammates will purposely go and stand by the other team's players when you have the ball, this is FIFA's way of hiding the fact that their defenders don't mark up or move in the way real defenders would. The computer's attacking AI is beyond brutal. Even when they have teammates open all around them they will simply hold onto the ball and dribble width-wise across the pitch for ages. Sometimes it's almost comical, they'll do laps back and forth as you chase them. And the only way they score on me anymore is if I make overzealous use of the offside trap command and have no hope of catching up. '09 is exactly the same, not to mention the ball has a rocket to the moon and the players are too tall and skinny. My impressions of the FIFA 10 videos seem to be that it's '09 with new animations.
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Tech_Skill
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Personally, I cannot understand why any living breathing mammal cannot see that pes 2010 looks like an updated 09 with some of the same old bugs still in the damn game.
Now maybe the final version will be amazing (hmmm)
But when people come out and start talking about it looking 'realistic'.........
Jeeeezzzz.
My advice is to take a look at evo web forum, the minute these vids came out they were seriously fucking pissed, and for good reason.
Who wants to argue with me that Konami spent 3 years on this game??
Seriously, but you lot accept the lies and bullshit every year, then wonder why you only get an updated version.
In some respect, you kinda get what deserve, you defend shit, you get shit.
And that code in that video, its not acceptable for 3 years work, however you look at it.
Common sense talk.
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