The GAMESCOM Thread

[shaun7]

tech, But you say that about konami (and you don't know how it will be this year) and you brought the comparison with GTA V. Everyone expects much more from Rockstar than from KONAMI and EA and that's why Rockstar won't do as you said. For that reason being that they are bigger and better and always delivers.
As for konami. You won't know what they'll do this year and about the codes, you are not in their buisness, so you cannot talk.

 

[Tech_Skill]

tech, But you say that about konami (and you don't know how it will be this year) and you brought the comparison with GTA V. Everyone expects much more from Rockstar than from KONAMI and EA and that's why Rockstar won't do as you said. For that reason being that they are bigger and better and always delivers.
As for konami. You won't know what they'll do this year and about the codes, you are not in their buisness, so you cannot talk.

3rd try and trying to install some logic on here..

Forget Fifa for a sec.

Here is the contradictions in what is being said

Its very simple.

1)Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Company instead shows old builds with hardly any of the gameplay changes promised.

Which is fucking stupid.

or

2) Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Changes present in the game are most of what will be in the final game.

Game doesn't look like it has taken the huge steps forward in game play konami said it had.


I think the fact most people on the pes forums are hinging their hopes that whats being shown is old, should tell you they are not that impressed with what they are seeing. So either thats the game your getting this year, in which case I think you are going to be spending a very large amount of time in the feedback forums this year.....

Or they are one of the most stupid companies on earth for promising huge improvements to be shown at gamescom, then admitting to showing sub-par builds deliberatley.

Which one is it?

 

[Trevi]

Or they are one of the most stupid companies on earth
Which one is it?

:faceplm:

 

[Janus909]

3rd try and trying to install some logic on here..

Forget Fifa for a sec.

Here is the contradictions in what is being said

Its very simple.

1)Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Company instead shows old builds with hardly any of the gameplay changes promised.

Which is fucking stupid.

or

2) Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Changes present in the game are most of what will be in the final game.

Game doesn't look like it has taken the huge steps forward in game play konami said it had.


I think the fact most people on the pes forums are hinging their hopes that whats being shown is old, should tell you they are not that impressed with what they are seeing. So either thats the game your getting this year, in which case I think you are going to be spending a very large amount of time in the feedback forums this year.....

Or they are one of the most stupid companies on earth for promising huge improvements to be shown at gamescom, then admitting to showing sub-par builds deliberatley.

Which one is it?

god are you still talking, go get some fresh air, you spend way too much time on here!

 

[Perfectstrik]

3rd try and trying to install some logic on here..

Forget Fifa for a sec.

Here is the contradictions in what is being said

Its very simple.

1)Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Company instead shows old builds with hardly any of the gameplay changes promised.

Which is fucking stupid.

or

2) Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Changes present in the game are most of what will be in the final game.

Game doesn't look like it has taken the huge steps forward in game play konami said it had.


I think the fact most people on the pes forums are hinging their hopes that whats being shown is old, should tell you they are not that impressed with what they are seeing. So either thats the game your getting this year, in which case I think you are going to be spending a very large amount of time in the feedback forums this year.....

Or they are one of the most stupid companies on earth for promising huge improvements to be shown at gamescom, then admitting to showing sub-par builds deliberatley.

Which one is it?

Even at his stage pes2010 still looks like the better game.

Have you had a look at the fifa10 videos at gamescom it looks like its being played out in slow motion and i can not understand what people are raving on about.So EA have got everyone buzzing with there list of features but the gameplay looks shit and pes2010 looks like its in a different dimension even at this stage.

Maybe its just me but considering i have been playing games for 30 years i like to think im a pretty good judge of these things.

It was the same last year everyone was raving on about the graphics of fifa09 when i personally thought pes09s graphics where far better.

Sorry tech skill but fifa10 looks and plays like something on the pc like champioship manager its just not doing anything for me and im trying to be objective.

Pes2010 just looks and plays like real football,look at the movements of the players off and on the ball,the long pass,through ball and the player modelling its just more lifelike and less abtract.The stadiums and lighting of pes2010 just seem to capture the feel of a live broadcast wear as fifa10 just looks unreal even the sound is awful and the pitch and grass looks terrible very megadrive it even remnds me of the megadrive fifas(terrible)and your pinning all your hopes this year on this average effort.

Even the animations arent that special,yes,pes2010 looks a little robotic at the moment but so did fifa10 a month ago, but a least the players seem to have some desire to get forward and attack in pes2010.

As for the commentary in pes i always turn it off as theres no commentary when i watch a live match only on the telly and as for music i have a ps3 so fill my hardrive with descent tracks to listen to in the menus and replays.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Typical Q and A part 2.

I ask a question about pes and specifically say "Forget fifa for a sec".

3rd try and trying to install some logic on here..

Forget Fifa for a sec.

Here is the contradictions in what is being said

Its very simple.

1)Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Company instead shows old builds with hardly any of the gameplay changes promised.

Which is fucking stupid.

or

2) Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention....

Changes present in the game are most of what will be in the final game.

Game doesn't look like it has taken the huge steps forward in game play konami said it had.


I think the fact most people on the pes forums are hinging their hopes that whats being shown is old, should tell you they are not that impressed with what they are seeing. So either thats the game your getting this year, in which case I think you are going to be spending a very large amount of time in the feedback forums this year.....

Or they are one of the most stupid companies on earth for promising huge improvements to be shown at gamescom, then admitting to showing sub-par builds deliberatley.

Which one is it?

no one actually answers the question that was asked, and guess what.........

They start going on about fifa again, the very same thing they are asking me not to talk about.

lol.

Even at his stage pes2010 still looks like the better game.

Have you had a look at the fifa10 videos at gamescom it looks like its being played out in slow motion and i can not understand what people are raving on about.So EA have got everyone buzzing with there list of features but the gameplay looks shit and pes2010 looks like its in a different dimension even at this stage.

Maybe its just me but considering i have been playing games for 30 years i like to think im a pretty good judge of these things.

It was the same last year everyone was raving on about the graphics of fifa09 when i personally thought pes09s graphics where far better.

Sorry tech skill but fifa10 looks and plays like something on the pc like champioship manager its just not doing anything for me and im trying to be objective.

.............................

No logic.

 

[Perfectstrik]

Typical Q and A part 2.

I ask a question about pes and specifically say "Forget fifa for a sec".



no one actually answers the question that was asked, and guess what.........

They start going on about fifa again, the very same thing they are asking me not to talk about.

lol.



.............................

No logic.

ive been watching football on the terraces for over 25 years as well as playing football games for twenty,i know what speed real football is played out at and what it looks like.

football speeds up and slows down its not played out at a one tempo like fifa,look at the pes2010 videos and see how the game speeds up and slows down when the game is stretched and compact this is real.

Dont even bother trying to convince me that fifa10 speed is accurate football is lightning quick at times...

All the morons on evo-web dont no shit about sport or football,moaning about pes2010 being to fast,do they not realise how quick the real game is now or that keepers do make mistakes.Not only that but most of them are still playing pes09 despite the fact they wont admit it and just bitch about it.

If they loved fifa so much why have they been doing nothing but scrutinising what konami are doing because they in there hearts know that fifa doesnt give you that same feeling when you make a killer pass or strike the ball and never will and doesnt play like real football.That is why fifa is the couch potatoes favourite(geeks)the ones that have been into football for five minutes and have never played the game while the purists will always prefer pro evo....why because fifas more accessible and allows you to score un-realistic easy goals and does not have the tactical depth of pes or the player individuality.

Fifa09 might have manaul passing but its wild and unpredictable and a labour of love its not intuitive and refined like it was on the n64 in the ISS days.

How can you say youve played games like iss n64 and iss psx and still beat the fifa drum........i think you pretend to have been playing konami games longer then you have to back yourself up when even you must see that pes2010 seems to be a welcome return to konamis earlier simulation routes and deeper player control of ISS on the n64.

 

[shaun7]

I think the fact most people on the pes forums are hinging their hopes that whats being shown is old, should tell you they are not that impressed with what they are seeing. So either thats the game your getting this year, in which case I think you are going to be spending a very large amount of time in the feedback forums this year.....

Or they are one of the most stupid companies on earth for promising huge improvements to be shown at gamescom, then admitting to showing sub-par builds deliberatley.

Which one is it?

Think about it. NONE actually.
The interesting thing is the final product not build and codes. I do not care about codes. I care about the final product because after the final product, you cannot improve the game further if you know what I am saying.Patches and stuff downloadable are only fixes and those aren't anything major.

 

[Desijut]

No point arguing with him, first he talks up fifa and says how shit pro is
Then says how he is an ISS/PES Fan
Then all he talks about is how he wants to suck evo web dry.

If evo-web is that close to your heart, why not just piss off to the evo-web forums? If you want people to agree with you how fifa is better, why not got to a fifa forum?

Here is the EA UK forum
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/

If you're still to retarded to find it click on the link for the fifa forum
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-series/

If you still cannot get to it, here is the fifa 10 forum
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-10/

Oh and because you only seem to be able type and not find other threads in this forum i will give you the link to the ps3/xbox section
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-10-sony-playstation-3-microsoft-xbox-360/

I dont think i need to show you the link to evo-web since that's your one and only love.

So if you read this, why are you still here? Go on to the places where you will feel at home. It won't break our hearts that you will leave so

GOODBYE

 

[shankly is god]

No point arguing with him, first he talks up fifa and says how shit pro is
Then says how he is an ISS/PES Fan
Then all he talks about is how he wants to suck evo web dry.

If evo-web is that close to your heart, why not just piss off to the evo-web forums? If you want people to agree with you how fifa is better, why not got to a fifa forum?

Here is the EA UK forum
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/

If you're still to retarded to find it click on the link for the fifa forum
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-series/

If you still cannot get to it, here is the fifa 10 forum
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-10/

Oh and because you only seem to be able type and not find other threads in this forum i will give you the link to the ps3/xbox section
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/fifa-10-sony-playstation-3-microsoft-xbox-360/

I dont think i need to show you the link to evo-web since that's your one and only love.

So if you read this, why are you still here? Go on to the places where you will feel at home. It won't break our hearts that you will leave so

GOODBYE

there is no point mate he is deluded and just loves to cause controversy...

just ignor him and hopefully it will disappear....

should just concentrate on pro evo matters now like and what us normal people feel about it

 

[Desijut]

if he doesn't leave he really needs help, anyway im waiting for the demos now (both pes and fifa) and see how they are, that was my plan from the start

 

[shankly is god]

^^ yer ill end up getting both as i like both games...

but for me pes 2010 looks the most improved thats why im looking forward to getting my hands on a copy...

is there any new news out today been looking over some places but no luck

 

[Desijut]

These links are what i'm checking most but nothing:

http://www.pesfan.com/news/
http://winningelevenblog.com/

They seem to be more official than us

 

[FIORE_FAN]

@ Perfectstrike.
Thanks for the answer and nicely put at that. ;o)
First off - there's just one thing you keep saying that I'm a little bit curious about. You keep saying that Konami has everything up their sleeve yet and will be in the final game when it comes out. That be 360 movement, better animations etc. You say this, as if you really know something a lot of us don't? ;o) I really - and I mean really, really - hope that you are right! Not for the sake that you try to convince us of something and then we would be able to come back at you, if all your statements turned out wrong. I'm not that kind of guy! I don't need the satisfaction to point out other peoples mistakes! But I really hope you're right for the "love" of PES. So just out of hope for the better and curiosity: How do you know the things you say about Konami implementing all the things in the final build? ;o)
As for FIFA realism/simulation or not... It's not so much about that for me personally. I just enjoyed FIFA09 much more than PES09. But fair should be fair. I only made my choice of which game to buy, by playing the demos and summing up all the pieces from the internet. As I understand it, then the demo of PES isn't really up to the standards as the final game? That might just have been one of the biggest mistakes Konami has ever made - and by the looks of it, they are about to make the same mistake again! They make builds of the game accessable to the public, that is far below par compaired to the final build. That doesn't sell game very well in my perspective...
As for the speed of the game - I really like the slower speed if FIFA09. Maybe it's because I'm turning 35, been a daddy for nearly two years now - thus not having the same amount of time to play the games as I used to - has made me slower!? ;o) But I get what your saying about a real footballmatch being both slow and lightning quick at the same time during a match. In that case I'll support your statement in that FIFA doesn't capture that feeling as good as PES might.

To make it simple without comparing games, I'll just like to add a little list of the things in both games I really like (and thus don't like):

PES: (Now remember that here I'll admit I'm a little biased, since I didn't buy PES09)
I Like:
- Player individualism! (You just know that when you're playing - say - Barcelona and you are getting a chance at goal, you don't want Puyol to be the one having a shoot at goal - but you'd rather pass the ball to either Messi, Henry or Eto'o. Also you have to take into account if the player i right or left footed).
- Cpu AI! (The cpu make great offensive runs for passes as the cpu is also great in defense)
- Formation editing (Until 09 FIFA didn't even have the option to make your formation 100% the way YOU wanted it. I believe that PES still rules this department).
- Ball physics (No comment needed here really. The balls i FIFA are helium balloons!)
- Graphics and player faces (I'm talking graphics not animations. The faces are incredible - but I always play with the wide camera, so I don't really notice.. ;o) )
- Player cards (This one is new - and we don't really know for sure if it'll be great or not - but the shere potential of it is amazing!).
- Responsiveness (Talks for itself really. We all complaint about the slow responsiveness in FIFA eventhough it's become tolarable now).

FIFA09:
- The manual controller setup (It's a marvel. If this setup could be combined with the individual player skills and player likeness of PES this would be the greatest thing ever made for a footballgame!)
- The jog button (Playing as a defender and holding this button down so you player stays just out of arms reach and always facing his opponent is dearly missed in PES).
- The finess shooting button (I know this button is in PES as well, but it's just not implemented right! In FIFA you press and hold while you shoot - so you are in perfect control of when you'll use the finess shot. In PES you first press shoot and then with perfect timing, you'll have to press the finess button, in which you are not in perfect control).
- Penalties (Granted: PES looks promesing this year).
- Attention to all the little details (This point right here is of so much importance allthough it's not important at all!! But just all the cool small animations that add so much to the look and atmosphere during a game is incredible!!! But at the same time it has nothing to do with the actual gameplay!! But still. This forum has been yelling for all these small details for years. FIFA has them and then some!).

Better stop now! This post has turned into a novel!! Sorry guys... ;os

 

[shankly is god]

Nice one...just wanna see screens of players, stadiums etc man

 

[shaun7]

Fiore: Nice list mentioning the good things in both games.

 

[Desijut]

have to agree with shaun here, awesome post

 

[Perfectstrik]

@ Perfectstrike.
Thanks for the answer and nicely put at that. ;o)
First off - there's just one thing you keep saying that I'm a little bit curious about. You keep saying that Konami has everything up their sleeve yet and will be in the final game when it comes out. That be 360 movement, better animations etc. You say this, as if you really know something a lot of us don't? ;o) I really - and I mean really, really - hope that you are right! Not for the sake that you try to convince us of something and then we would be able to come back at you, if all your statements turned out wrong. I'm not that kind of guy! I don't need the satisfaction to point out other peoples mistakes! But I really hope you're right for the "love" of PES. So just out of hope for the better and curiosity: How do you know the things you say about Konami implementing all the things in the final build? ;o)
As for FIFA realism/simulation or not... It's not so much about that for me personally. I just enjoyed FIFA09 much more than PES09. But fair should be fair. I only made my choice of which game to buy, by playing the demos and summing up all the pieces from the internet. As I understand it, then the demo of PES isn't really up to the standards as the final game? That might just have been one of the biggest mistakes Konami has ever made - and by the looks of it, they are about to make the same mistake again! They make builds of the game accessable to the public, that is far below par compaired to the final build. That doesn't sell game very well in my perspective...
As for the speed of the game - I really like the slower speed if FIFA09. Maybe it's because I'm turning 35, been a daddy for nearly two years now - thus not having the same amount of time to play the games as I used to - has made me slower!? ;o) But I get what your saying about a real footballmatch being both slow and lightning quick at the same time during a match. In that case I'll support your statement in that FIFA doesn't capture that feeling as good as PES might.

To make it simple without comparing games, I'll just like to add a little list of the things in both games I really like (and thus don't like):

PES: (Now remember that here I'll admit I'm a little biased, since I didn't buy PES09)
I Like:
- Player individualism! (You just know that when you're playing - say - Barcelona and you are getting a chance at goal, you don't want Puyol to be the one having a shoot at goal - but you'd rather pass the ball to either Messi, Henry or Eto'o. Also you have to take into account if the player i right or left footed).
- Cpu AI! (The cpu make great offensive runs for passes as the cpu is also great in defense)
- Formation editing (Until 09 FIFA didn't even have the option to make your formation 100% the way YOU wanted it. I believe that PES still rules this department).
- Ball physics (No comment needed here really. The balls i FIFA are helium balloons!)
- Graphics and player faces (I'm talking graphics not animations. The faces are incredible - but I always play with the wide camera, so I don't really notice.. ;o) )
- Player cards (This one is new - and we don't really know for sure if it'll be great or not - but the shere potential of it is amazing!).
- Responsiveness (Talks for itself really. We all complaint about the slow responsiveness in FIFA eventhough it's become tolarable now).

FIFA09:
- The manual controller setup (It's a marvel. If this setup could be combined with the individual player skills and player likeness of PES this would be the greatest thing ever made for a footballgame!)
- The jog button (Playing as a defender and holding this button down so you player stays just out of arms reach and always facing his opponent is dearly missed in PES).
- The finess shooting button (I know this button is in PES as well, but it's just not implemented right! In FIFA you press and hold while you shoot - so you are in perfect control of when you'll use the finess shot. In PES you first press shoot and then with perfect timing, you'll have to press the finess button, in which you are not in perfect control).
- Penalties (Granted: PES looks promesing this year).
- Attention to all the little details (This point right here is of so much importance allthough it's not important at all!! But just all the cool small animations that add so much to the look and atmosphere during a game is incredible!!! But at the same time it has nothing to do with the actual gameplay!! But still. This forum has been yelling for all these small details for years. FIFA has them and then some!).

Better stop now! This post has turned into a novel!! Sorry guys... ;os

have a look at the gamescom pes2010 trailer,near the end there are snippets of the newer running and shooting animations,also notice the movement of the players arms in comparison to the demo on show at gamescom and especially del piero when he does the step overs this is all gameplay....

No one has picked up on this as people are to focused on the demo at gamescom.....

Cant say anymore or are loose my job

REGARDS.........

 

[soc160]

Wonder if there sitting on FIFA forums talking about how bad fifa looks and how much better pes will be, then going around in circles arguing again again ............... best check

 

[shaun7]

have a look at the gamescom pes2010 trailer,near the end there are snippets of the newer running and shooting animations,also notice the movement of the players arms in comparison to the demo on show at gamescom and especially del piero when he does the step overs this is all gameplay....

No one has picked up on this as people are to focused on the demo at gamescom.....

Cant say anymore or are loose my job

REGARDS.........

Yeah, I noticed the difference. Good one.