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The Player Form Arrows Explained! Finally!

larsson

Administrator
phelan said:
Zygalski, the percentages I quoted, 5-20-50-20-5 %, were for two leagues of 35 games alltogether. I'm not sure if it's the same when playing exhibition matches with form arrows set to ?, but then why wouldn't it be the same?

What is with the play stability skill ? :confused:
You can´t say 5 % or 20 % in general. Players with a high play stability will have good arrows more often than players with a stability of under 4-5. Eg I play with edited stats and Scholes has play stability 8 in my game and he had grey/blue arrows only in 3 or 4 matches in the entire season while Ronaldo (stability 4) had grey/blue arrows in about 30 % of the matches.
 

mutu

Betting Guru
5% chance of grey stars? -rubbish

recently (i have a 23 man squad) half or more of my team have grey stars every match
Often i struggle to put 11 players on the pitch that are grey star free, and most matches i have to include one or more

maybe its just because ive won the ML league 6 times :)D) and theyve decided to try and make me lose or something, but its definately not 5% of the time that i have grey stars


cool thing about stats changes though thanks! :D
 

Nifty1Pound50

Insert user title here
mutu said:
5% chance of grey stars? -rubbish

recently (i have a 23 man squad) half or more of my team have grey stars every match
Often i struggle to put 11 players on the pitch that are grey star free, and most matches i have to include one or more

maybe its just because ive won the ML league 6 times :)D) and theyve decided to try and make me lose or something, but its definately not 5% of the time that i have grey stars


cool thing about stats changes though thanks! :D

When did stars come into this?
 

mutu

Betting Guru
lol shutup u know what i mean, "arrows"

i have more clips yes, on my computer not on a website - i overwrit them with my current goals

got msn?
 

phelan

Registered User
socrates, thanks, I didn't know you could do that. If you could just see the CPU form in the ML as well...

I tried (for some time ago, now) to see how condition and consistency influences the form arrows.

For players with consistency=8 the results were
4 red,
15 yellow,
51 green,
20 blue and
5 grey arrows.

Players with consistency=1 had
5 red,
20 yellow,
52 green,
15 blue and
3 grey arrows.

so I don't think the consistency stat influences the form arrows.

Also, I never saw a half team on grey arrows.
 

Zygalski

Administrator
mutu, if your players are always on bad form, maybe they don't like your playing style! :D
Pay them a bit more perhaps?
 

mutu

Betting Guru
yes im not saying that its not that but merely if your percentages that you gave are right why should this matter, you never said anything about "oh by the way this is after theyve played 3 matches"

so :p

they do like the way i play, theyre won ml league 7 times and ive got em on a rotation fighting for their spot so if they want to play in my great team then their form had better be flippin good hadnt it!!! :mad:

;)
 

Nifty1Pound50

Insert user title here
You can't really put any weight to percentage numbers if you've only tested in a few games though, mutu.

Clearly, testing for 20 games is more accurate than testing for 10 games, whereas testing for 100 games is even more accurate.

The more times you test, the more you can see whether there are patterns in form arrows, or not.
 

Zygalski

Administrator
I think the way phelan's done it is quite good. If anyone would like to volunteer to test it more thouroughly then be our guest :)

The percentages look right to me for some reason.
Maybe some of us have the deeper PESInsight :p
 

djdavedoc

Banned
I think the arrows personally are self explantory to the players mental and physical conditions and I have known what they mean since ISS Evolution on PS1!! me and my mate used to select teams based on the arrows.. the more orange and red arrows the better the team will be!! obvious to me!
 

Compulsion

Registered User
The original picture looks like it was scanned from a magazine:

I thought it might be useful to know what the text around the table says, so I found a Japanese-English dictionary/word processor program, and used it to enter the text form the picture. This is AltaVista's Babel Fish translation (you may need to download a language pack to see the Japanese text below):

The larger text top-left:
コンディションについて
=About the condition.

Paragraph below the larger text:
選手のコンディションは、左記のように9パターンで表示される。コンディションの変化は選手のパラメータに影響を与える(下記表を参照)ため、試合前にしっかり確認しておきたい。
=The condition of the player, the following way is indicated with 9 patterns. Change of the condition produces effect on parameter of the player, (reference) for the sake of, before the playing we would like to verify the below-mentioned chart securely.

Text above the top-right table (with the coloured arrows):
コンディションの種類
=Type of condition.

Text above main table:
コンディションによるパラメータの変化(※単位は%。それぞれ、パラメータの価に変化が行われます)
=Change of the parameter with the condition (* as for the unit %. Respectively, change is done in value of parameter)

Text below main table:
※病み上がりの場合は、挟み上がりのパラメータ変化を行ったものに、さらにそのときの体調によるパラメータ変化が行われます。
=* It puts and case of convalescence, do in those which, furthermore with the physical condition of that time the parameter change is done the parameter change of rising.

The translation confirms the meaning of the chart, but suggests that the numbers in the table are percentages. Also the absence of the agility and shooting technique stats suggests that the information was originally for PES or PES2. The text below the main table hasn't translated well, it seems to be about players who are recovering from injury.
 
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phelan

Registered User
I think the table is about PES2 not PES1/PES3.

I don't have a copy of PES1. Could somebody help me here, and post a list of the stats in PES1? Is it true that PES1 didn't have a Free Kick Accuracy Stat?
 
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