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Gamespot review - 6.5/10

Sweey

*RETIRED*
YOU SUCK AT THE GAME THATS WHY YOU CANT PASS KID:realmad:

I'm in shock. Is that the defence PES fanboys are using now?

The ball doesn't go to the player I intend it to go to if the game feels the pass is unorthodox. In fact, I'll tell you where you know the passing is flawed.

I'm in the inside right position and all of my players are to my left. If I choose to pass to the right, I should pass into empty space and lose possession, correct? So why does it instead pass the ball forward and slightly to the left to the player closest to the direction I tried to play the pass in?

Another example - I'm on right wing and have two players to my left - one slightly ahead and one slightly behind. I want to cut it back to the player slightly behind me but instead, when pressing back and left, the ball goes forward and left to the player in advance of me. That's not where I played the ball.

I COULD use the manual pass stick but that's not a defence: its nearly 2010 so why am I being punished for wanting to use the directional analog stick and :x: when playing passes?

There is no defence.

Don't respond to this saying "well you've not set your passing up correctly" - I've done everything fine bar using the right analog stick for manual passing.
 

simononestop

Registered User
Who cares what any one else thinks! I played Become a Legend!! all year (pes 2009) so it kept me playing all year (when the girlfriend is out and I actually get some ps3 time) I think the playability of become a legend is awsome!! I think the game should play like that!
 

LEGOFLAMB22

Registered User
YOU SUCK AT THE GAME THATS WHY YOU CANT PASS KID:realmad:

I WIN EVERY GAME.

I've had a lot of practice and I've come to adapt to the nonsense in the game.

DO YOU PEOPLE THAT LIKE IT NOT ENCOUNTER THE TERRIBLE FIRST TOUCH/BAD RESPONSE/COMPLETELY INABILITY TO TURN AND CHANGE DIRECTION WITH THE BALL?

Simple question.

I still like the game but I am so annoyed by this, the game needs a patch because the mechanics are flawed.
 

Ballist1x

Registered User
I don't agree with 1 step forward and 2 steps back. This year it's the other way round. It's more like a step forward to me.

i dont understand, what was the 2 steps forward?

for me the main gains were, fluidity of gfx... gfx themselves...and menu layout...online?!

steps back - passing, shooting, penalties, stats (no hex), goalkeepers, throughballs,

so the least important stuff has been progressed and the most important things have regressed...

if you dont agree please state what you think is an improvement for the series.
 

Blade1889

Registered User
i dont understand, what was the 2 steps forward?

for me the main gains were, fluidity of gfx... gfx themselves...and menu layout...online?!

steps back - passing, shooting, penalties, stats (no hex), goalkeepers, throughballs,

so the least important stuff has been progressed and the most important things have regressed...

if you dont agree please state what you think is an improvement for the series.

The passing is a big improvement in my opinion. It still has faults and sometimes goes awol but it now feels great to pass the ball about. Not like PES 2008/09's pinball!

The shooting is also improved. You now have to make space to get a good shot off. If your off balance your shot will be too.

The penalty system is now far better!!! It now actually takes skill to score!! And practice!

I agree with you about the poor keepers, but even these are better than PES 2009.

The animations are also still poor but the improved graphics and slick Champs Lg presentation is massively improved.

These points for me suggest PES is moving forward, not backwards. Although I agree that it's at a slightly slower pace than we all want.
 

SuperBees

Registered User
I'm in shock. Is that the defence PES fanboys are using now?

The ball doesn't go to the player I intend it to go to if the game feels the pass is unorthodox. In fact, I'll tell you where you know the passing is flawed.

I'm in the inside right position and all of my players are to my left. If I choose to pass to the right, I should pass into empty space and lose possession, correct? So why does it instead pass the ball forward and slightly to the left to the player closest to the direction I tried to play the pass in?

Another example - I'm on right wing and have two players to my left - one slightly ahead and one slightly behind. I want to cut it back to the player slightly behind me but instead, when pressing back and left, the ball goes forward and left to the player in advance of me. That's not where I played the ball.

I COULD use the manual pass stick but that's not a defence: its nearly 2010 so why am I being punished for wanting to use the directional analog stick and :x: when playing passes?

There is no defence.

Don't respond to this saying "well you've not set your passing up correctly" - I've done everything fine bar using the right analog stick for manual passing.


Dude you must suck aswell i cant understand how you people say you cant pass the ball its got nothing to do with being a fanboy its not hard to pass the ball i can have 70 or 80% possesion of the ball on top player if i want. What do you guys want konami to do take the opposition players off the game so they cant intercept your passes or maybe you want them to put a rewind feature in like forza for you so you can rewind when you fuck up a pass. Honestly people saying they cant pass the ball should just give up because its really is not that hard to pass and create space on pes 2010. This new breed of kids that play video games now want everything to easy never willing to take time to practice and master a game always to quick to throw there toys out the pram if they cant be good straight away. Its a joke .... & just for the record i have played every single pes & the passing on this version is fine IMO....dont get me wrong though i do think this is the game we should of had 2 years ago but its no where near as bad as you little girls are making it out to be STOP CRYING AND PRACTICE.:realmad:
 

Winger

Registered User
Dude you must suck aswell i cant understand how you people say you cant pass the ball its got nothing to do with being a fanboy its not hard to pass the ball i can have 70 or 80% possesion of the ball on top player if i want. What do you guys want konami to do take the opposition players off the game so they cant intercept your passes or maybe you want them to put a rewind feature in like forza for you so you can rewind when you fuck up a pass. Honestly people saying they cant pass the ball should just give up because its really is not that hard to pass and create space on pes 2010. This new breed of kids that play video games now want everything to easy never willing to take time to practice and master a game always to quick to throw there toys out the pram if they cant be good straight away. Its a joke .... & just for the record i have played every single pes & the passing on this version is fine IMO....dont get me wrong though i do think this is the game we should of had 2 years ago but its no where near as bad as you little girls are making it out to be STOP CRYING AND PRACTICE.:realmad:

Mate. The point he is making is nothing to do with the passing in PES being too difficult. If anything it is that it is too easy.

Sweey's main point is that the passing in PES is too assisted. It is extremely rare, if not impossible to misplace a pass. And because of the flaws in the assisted passing the ball does not always go to the player you are aiming for when another teammate is in close proximity, due to the computer assistance making the choice for you. This makes it all a little too easy, a little too predictable, and a little too linear and on-the-rails.

FIFA has semi-assisted and manual control schemes available, where you have to actually aim the analoge stick in the direction you wish to pass, and measure out the power with the X button to dictate the pace and distance of the pass. If you are off with your aim and/or power then you will play the pass either behind a teammate, to the opposition, or out of touch. In PES it would still go to one of your teammates.
 

Ballist1x

Registered User
The passing is a big improvement in my opinion. It still has faults and sometimes goes awol but it now feels great to pass the ball about. Not like PES 2008/09's pinball!

The shooting is also improved. You now have to make space to get a good shot off. If your off balance your shot will be too.

The penalty system is now far better!!! It now actually takes skill to score!! And practice!


These points for me suggest PES is moving forward, not backwards. Although I agree that it's at a slightly slower pace than we all want.

i disagree with shooting... you are implying that before on PES shooting was like easy mode? everyone loved old pes shooting. it took skill, effort and rewarded players who could maintain balance, get it onto the 'right' foot, werent being challenged whilst they were shooting etc. it was a good, nay, great system.

RE passing... well to you and SuperBees who clearly doesnt get it...

you cant practice skill on something that ends up being random...there is no power guage. the players do not always kick it towards the way they are facing OR the direction you are holding with the intention to kick it there. therefore practice wont equal more skill.. it will just make u more experienced at dealing with the quirks and general inadequacies of the system. this is a huge difference.

for me the 2 fundamentals have been unecessarily tampered with, when they were the cornerstones of the PES gameplay.

i disagree with penalties. the skill or luck factor should be choosing the corner where the keeper is not diving and hoping u dont put it wide/over.

these for me are why it has gone backwards and not forward.
 

MatTheCat

Registered User
I seem to remember it being Gamespot's review podcast that for FIFA09's, review, they had some podgy bloke with zero charisma dressed up in an England shirt, bobbing around with a ball in his hand and trying his best to look all happy and cheerful, presumably cos he was so happy and cheerful about FIFA09. In PES09 podcast, same podgy fucking fat bloke, but in plain polo-shirt trying his best to look miserable as fuck.

I have been slating ProEvo for years now, but I think PES2010 is a damn excellent game. Yes, it has its flaws. Yes, button lag is unacceptable and the keepers are fucking shocking and yes, there are so many elements of the game that should be so much more advanced by now. But the beauty of PES2010 is the way that the AI makes/encourages you to play the game, in that it actually encourages and rewards the gamer to play the game other than exploit the game. Also, if an opponent is trying all the nippy moves on you, then these slider options really do work a treat.

Im not saying that fifa is great but it's the better game this year once again, after 5 years without fifa, im back to it, sorry to say but konami is still giving us a crap game with some improved features. Maybe it doesnt deserve a 6.5 but i would say 7/7.5 and not better than fifa, sorry. Im speaking from an xbox360 point of view btw.

Look m8. In FIFA, a 1-1 situation (of which the AI dishes out plenty of) is a certain goal everytime. I wouldn't give a fuck if the rest of the game looked like fucking Sky Sports, a game with such a gaping big dirty hole as that aint even a fucking game in my opinion.

The score Gamespot are giving PES2010 is a pile of shite. A game that gets 6.5 is a game that you play for less than 6-7 hours and you only play around with it just to check a few things out on it. Most people who buy ProEvo will still be playing it and getting some big-time thrills out of it almost right up until release date for either FIFA11 or PES2011. It should really be a 9/10, but it has some atrocious flaws (goalkeepers especially undermine the games integrity) in it so it deserves just an 8.

It should also be pointed out that the reviewers name was Guy 'Cock'er
 

Sweey

*RETIRED*
Mate. The point he is making is nothing to do with the passing in PES being too difficult. If anything it is that it is too easy.

Sweey's main point is that the passing in PES is too assisted. It is extremely rare, if not impossible to misplace a pass. And because of the flaws in the assisted passing the ball does not always go to the player you are aiming for when another teammate is in close proximity, due to the computer assistance making the choice for you. This makes it all a little too easy, a little too predictable, and a little too linear and on-the-rails.

FIFA has semi-assisted and manual control schemes available, where you have to actually aim the analoge stick in the direction you wish to pass, and measure out the power with the X button to dictate the pace and distance of the pass. If you are off with your aim and/or power then you will play the pass either behind a teammate, to the opposition, or out of touch. In PES it would still go to one of your teammates.

I'm glad you understood. Clearly he didn't have a clue as he's too busy saying that if you have a criticism of the game its because you're shit at it which is the lowest level of blind loyalty.
 

shaun7

Registered User
i dont understand, what was the 2 steps forward?

for me the main gains were, fluidity of gfx... gfx themselves...and menu layout...online?!

steps back - passing, shooting, penalties, stats (no hex), goalkeepers, throughballs,

so the least important stuff has been progressed and the most important things have regressed...

if you dont agree please state what you think is an improvement for the series.

Ofcourse. I thought you might say that.
First of all, I didn't say 2 steps forward. I said a step forward because for me it's more like 2 steps forward and 1 step back so overall 1 step forward.
Steps forward.: Graphics, menus, music, Shooting is way better and less scripted, much less script in gameplay. Also screamers do happen in reality and in pes 09 shooting felt too automated. This time you have more control over it and the placing works slightly better.
Goalkeepers are slightly better not worse. Though I expected much more.
Penalties are much better even if it's a little too sensitive. You need to get used to them. True. I said that penalties were not good this year, but then I saw a walkhtrough of them on youtube and they are much better. Another example of less scriptness and randomness and more control.
Better defence.

Steps back: NO HEXAGON, less control over dribbling (yes it's realistic, but in pes 10 there should have been more control but keeping the defence good as it is).
Throughballs are better and worse at the same time. They are less automated but sometimes they're too inaccurate.
There are more steps forward in general than steps back as far as I'm concerned.


About semi assisted and stuff on fifa. They're great. But they decrease player individuality. Something I look forward to in football games because that defines teams.
Anyway, I kind of agree that in pes it's too assisted but at least it's BASING ON THE PLAYER'S ABILITY so it has much more individuality. Though I agree that in pes we should have more control over passing. So I see it this way. Take fifa's power meter and precise analogue passing and stick it with pes' individuality of passing and we'll end up with the best passing system available.
 

Blade1889

Registered User
i disagree with shooting... you are implying that before on PES shooting was like easy mode? everyone loved old pes shooting. it took skill, effort and rewarded players who could maintain balance, get it onto the 'right' foot, werent being challenged whilst they were shooting etc. it was a good, nay, great system.

RE passing... well to you and SuperBees who clearly doesnt get it...

you cant practice skill on something that ends up being random...there is no power guage. the players do not always kick it towards the way they are facing OR the direction you are holding with the intention to kick it there. therefore practice wont equal more skill.. it will just make u more experienced at dealing with the quirks and general inadequacies of the system. this is a huge difference.

for me the 2 fundamentals have been unecessarily tampered with, when they were the cornerstones of the PES gameplay.

i disagree with penalties. the skill or luck factor should be choosing the corner where the keeper is not diving and hoping u dont put it wide/over.

these for me are why it has gone backwards and not forward.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

As far as I'm concerned I wanted a game that was an improvement on PES 2009 and made me crave a PES session again like PES 6 used to do.

The fact I can't wait for the weekend to come so I can continue with my Champs Lg campaign on PES 2010 is enough of a sign to me that PES is heading in the right direction.

I'm really enjoying PES 2010 and from a personal level, that's all that matters to me.
 

SuperBees

Registered User
Mate. The point he is making is nothing to do with the passing in PES being too difficult. If anything it is that it is too easy.

Sweey's main point is that the passing in PES is too assisted. It is extremely rare, if not impossible to misplace a pass. And because of the flaws in the assisted passing the ball does not always go to the player you are aiming for when another teammate is in close proximity, due to the computer assistance making the choice for you. This makes it all a little too easy, a little too predictable, and a little too linear and on-the-rails.

FIFA has semi-assisted and manual control schemes available, where you have to actually aim the analoge stick in the direction you wish to pass, and measure out the power with the X button to dictate the pace and distance of the pass. If you are off with your aim and/or power then you will play the pass either behind a teammate, to the opposition, or out of touch. In PES it would still go to one of your teammates.

Oh I See so the passing is to easy now ....what ever you and your buddy are still crying like little girls ... none of the points you or he have made make any sense to me because i do not experience these passing problems which you both seem to be having. if you like FIFAs passing so much go play FIFA & stop crying about PES passing most people i know dont have a problem with pes passing i honestly think you both need more practice
 

Sweey

*RETIRED*
What do you want? A star on your arse:huh:

:laugh:

Oh I See so the passing is to easy now ....what ever you and your buddy are still crying like little girls ... none of the points you or he have made make any sense to me because i do not experience these passing problems which you both seem to be having. if you like FIFAs passing so much go play FIFA & stop crying about PES passing most people i know dont have a problem with pes passing i honestly think you both need more practice

Stop being a complete twat. People like you are why the game is going downhill - you're unwilling to accept any form of criticism for the game. What a waste :no:
 

Winger

Registered User
Oh I See so the passing is to easy now ....what ever you and your buddy are still crying like little girls ... none of the points you or he have made make any sense to me because i do not experience these passing problems which you both seem to be having. if you like FIFAs passing so much go play FIFA & stop crying about PES passing most people i know dont have a problem with pes passing i honestly think you both need more practice

We need to practise because we find it too easy? Now that right there, that doesn't make sense. I have slaughtered teams in Pro Evo for years now. In PES 2009 my Master League would consist of seasons of going undefeated, winning the treble, scoring bucket loads of goals, and monopolysing possession in every single game. And this would occur with lesser skilled teams. It would be a matter of when I scored, and how many I would score, not if I would score. And the opposition only ever scored from corners, or from my goalkeeper making a hash of things.

So in what way would I need more practise? The passing has never required any skill nor any practise. It is pick up and play, stringing brilliant flowing moves together with minimal effort. It has sustained for so long because it was enjoyable but, with the enjoyment diminishing, and the games failure to change for four or five years now it has became tiresome and lackluster, and way to easy for those of us who are looking for some sort of evolution (no pun intended) to the gameplay and a more difficult challenge.

And you don't have a problem with it because it's easy. Many people don't have a problem with anything unless it is difficult for them to master. You can play brilliant attacking football, with superb build up, with very little effort. Those of us who want a real challenge, who want to actually have more control than just deciding when to pass, are left with a game that resembles a paint by numbers canvas we all had when we were four years old. Once you get the movement of the opposition down, and the timing of the passes that is it, it is all said and done. And that is not difficult to do considering how easy it is to hold possession, due to the assisted passing.

We are playing FIFA. But we have also played PES 2010. And we have played every iteration of PES before that. We are here discussing PES. We are using FIFA as a comparison because it is the other football game on the market. We are drawing comparisons because FIFA is doing a whole lot right, with many elements that PES could do with introducing, the major one being the option for semi-assited and manual passing.

You should take an example from the likes of shaun7; he is a big fan of PES 2010 and has far differing views on the game to that of my own. But you don't see him quoting me and being a degenerative little bitch about that. He makes his points and keeps it above board and constructive. Take note, son.
 

Lugash

Registered User
I have been slating ProEvo for years now, but I think PES2010 is a damn excellent game.

Jesus, never thought I'd read that in one of your posts. Shame really, I saw you name and was hoping you were going to properly lay into PES and end up in a flame war with some fanboys.

Anyway, back on topic, don't take reviews seriously. If you like a game and you're honestly swayed by a review, there's something seriously wrong with you. And if you're so much of a fanboy that you actually get offended by a review, then fuck me, there's something doubly wrong with you.
 
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