Patch 1.0.2 first impressions thread!

Can someone tell me if the +1 gamespeed bug is fixed?

Tech_Skill said:

Fucking Hell, listen, the finances were FINE before the patch, so if there is an issue here, its not konami trying to make the game realistic LMAO, its a fucking clear cut miscalculation.

Im open to clear evidence to disprove this theory, and i want to be wrong, but so far im not seeing it.

Real Madrid's budget is about 198 mil.

That goes down to 98mil after wages etc.

Now before, you could sign a bunch of players 4/5 really good ones and have at least 60 mil left to start the season.

But here my question, if cost of signing players has gone up by huge amounts.

If you wanted to buy 4/5 players that could cost you about 60 mil lets say...

Therefore that would mean you have 38 million left for the rest of the season.

Even if you add on 50 million for winning home games etc.

Next season you have about 88 million.

Now my question is this, next season, do you get another 100 million on top of what you had from last season? because that 88 million might not be enough to pay next season's wages?

Aka, your fucked financially now, whereas before the patch, you were not.

Again, I hope I am wrong.

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I see your point, and a valid one it is too.

But still begs the question, you've picked Real Madrid.
One of the best teams in the world - admittedly, I've not seen their squad on PES 2011 but I would assume you are looking at 70-80 stats across the board.
So why would you need to sign 5 more players?
Surely their squad is good enough on it's own?
And why not bring the youth through who would cost nothing but sell for loads cos your Real Madrid?

I see where your coming from but I still think it's easier than you think.
Providing your willing to sell that is

myguy80s said:

I see your point, and a valid one it is too.

But still begs the question, you've picked Real Madrid.
One of the best teams in the world - admittedly, I've not seen their squad on PES 2011 but I would assume you are looking at 70-80 stats across the board.
So why would you need to sign 5 more players?
Surely their squad is good enough on it's own?
And why not bring the youth through who would cost nothing but sell for loads cos your Real Madrid?

I see where your coming from but I still think it's easier than you think.
Providing your willing to sell that is

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But dude, we cant think like that, if I am right, and to be honest, I think somebody will come along and disprove my theory (which would be great) at the end of the day, the patch may have made the financial situation WORSE, when before it was okay, that not right, and i was real a few months ago, and i brought in 3/4 players myself so I think others may want to do so to.

Ignoring the issue doesnt solve it...........if this is an issue.

Tech_Skill said:

But dude, we cant think like that, if I am right, and to be honest, I think somebody will come along and disprove my theory (which would be great) at the end of the day, the patch may have made the financial situation WORSE, when before it was okay, that not right, and i was real a few months ago, and i brought in 3/4 players myself so I think others may want to do so to.

Ignoring the issue doesnt solve it...........if this is an issue.

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So you're saying prior to the patch it was all ok?
Then why are they patching it?

I agree, I don't think they have thought about peoples existing ML saved games but I'm struggling to see then why they've broken something that didn't need fixing?

I think they originally did it as people were complaining of never being able to sign the big players in Pro while being a smaller team. But since it came out, people are complaining it's too easy to sign players, hence why they've changed it.

Not had chance to try it on my ML yet, I could yet come back with as much rage as you!

sorry to break up the argument but is shooting fixed ???

myguy80s said:

So you're saying prior to the patch it was all ok?
Then why are they patching it?

I agree, I don't think they have thought about peoples existing ML saved games but I'm struggling to see then why they've broken something that didn't need fixing?

I think they originally did it as people were complaining of never being able to sign the big players in Pro while being a smaller team. But since it came out, people are complaining it's too easy to sign players, hence why they've changed it.

Not had chance to try it on my ML yet, I could yet come back with as much rage as you!

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Like i said, im not 100% sure this is an issue, but its a possible miscalculation, caused by the effect of upping the amount of money its costs to buy a player, Ive started a master league and noticed the cash for winning home games is the SAME as before, so that alone tells me im going to be losing money if i buy players and refuse to sell, compared with the situation before the patch.

Unless I hear otherwise from someone.

Haven;t check it out yet, but sounds fine to me. I would like transfer prices to reflect those that are being paid for people in real life. Not to belittle you tech, but what team doesnt sell players? Even Real sells players that aren't getting any game time, and rightfully so, as most players aren't content being a squad player and second fiddle to superstars when they could go to another team that needs their particular traits and would give them first team opportunities. I think the whole point of ML is to put yourself in the shoes of a manager. There are financial constraints just like every club in the world, and they force you to sell. Just because you don't want to do it for some reason doesn't mean the game should just let you buy all the players you want and keep them indefinitely on high wages. No team can sustain that until PES adds in the ability for spanish national banks to continually bail out the ridiculous deficits that Barca and Real are working with year in and out.

Tech_Skill said:

But dude, we cant think like that, if I am right, and to be honest, I think somebody will come along and disprove my theory (which would be great) at the end of the day, the patch may have made the financial situation WORSE, when before it was okay, that not right, and i was real a few months ago, and i brought in 3/4 players myself so I think others may want to do so to.

Ignoring the issue doesnt solve it...........if this is an issue.

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I dont see how it was in any way ok . No offense but you could buy anyone (willing to come) dirt cheap and build whatever team you want will no consequences .

I've even fired (not sold , fired) entire squad of high profiled teams and replaced them with better or equivalent players without much troubles .

At worst you were getting a slap on the wrist if overbudget ... a reduction on fanclubs and junior teams ...

Again no sorry i dont see how it was fine . No clube should be able to buy in a single transfer period the likes of : Torres, Aguero , krasic , gilardino , abate , zarate , huddlestone , hGourcuff, candevra , Micah richards , Van der Wiel , Raul Albiol , Dawson, and especially fake insanely good players like Vanderbuurd , Tsotsakuri at max 9 millions and be all peachy .

Your budget +winnings from matchs , fans , sponsoring and championships and struggling with purchases and sales of players should exactly be how its done

Neolucifer said:

I dont see how it was in any way ok . No offense but you could buy anyone (willing to come) dirt cheap and build whatever team you want will no consequences .

I've even fired (not sold , fired) entire squad of high profiled teams and replaced them with better or equivalent players without much troubles .

At worst you were getting a slap on the wrist if overbudget ... a reduction on fanclubs and junior teams ...

Again no sorry i dont see how it was fine . No clube should be able to buy in a single transfer period the likes of : Torres, Aguero , krasic , gilardino , abate , zarate , huddlestone , hGourcuff, candevra , Micah richards , Van der Wiel , Raul Albiol , Dawson, and especially fake insanely good players like Vanderbuurd , Tsotsakuri at max 9 millions and be all peachy .

Your budget +winnings from matchs , fans , sponsoring and championships and struggling with purchases and sales of players should exactly be how its done

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You are talking about A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUE. We are discussing if the game post patch gives you enough money to buy as you wish without fucking the game up, due to the increase in player prices.

No one said the above was ok.

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Back to topic.

Can someone help with the following?

Just for the record, started a season with Real Madrid.

The budget was 255 million.

After salary and operating costs I have 124 million.

Expected earnings are for the rest of the season are +74 million (Sponsorship and income)

So does this mean I start next season with at least 198 million??

Because even if don't buy ANYONE, after salary and operating costs, I will have to pay another 124 million right (wages should be roughly same as last season?) meaning I will start season with about 74 million?

So, i'm already about 60 million pounds down on last year and that's even before I have bought players which are FAR MORE expensive than they used to be, so if this is right how long can this be sustained for? surely you would have to keep selling to be in profit?

edit: read this, guy is having the same issue.

http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=81757

Yes. After operating costs you will have 74 Million. That means that you will have to make 50 Million during the first season so you have 124 Million to pay for operating costs in the end of the first season. And that is without buying anyone. That was the problem i have everyseason.

Btw PES didn't ask me to download new patch. I checked extra contents and it says there isn't any new patch available. The first time it poped up something telling me there was a patch available for 1.01. What's the problem?

sktaxi said:

Yes. After operating costs you will have 74 Million. That means that you will have to make 50 Million during the first season so you have 124 Million to pay for operating costs in the end of the first season. And that is without buying anyone. That was the problem i have everyseason.

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Right, now im starting to get a little annoyed. Im gonna speak with an admin on this site about how to get this info to konami, cos this just isnt on, unless we are both missing something.

yo tech maybe you should post your concern over at pes fan as they are the official pes fan site which konami monitor..
Frankly i think that site is DEAD no one hardly posts, and this should be the official site!

http://forums.pesfan.com/showthread.php?t=236663

here mate

or if you want to summarise the problem ill post for you!

Tech_Skill said:

After salary and operating costs I have 124 million.

Expected earnings are for the rest of the season are +74 million (Sponsorship and income)

So does this mean I start next season with at least 198 million??

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Oh sorry. Read it wrong.

If you have 124 million after the first operating cost and your expected earnings are +74 million that mean that you will end the first season with 198 million. But in the start of the second one you will have to pay operating costs again, so you will have 68 millions in the start of the second season.

If your expected earnings stay the same in the start of the third season you will have 10 millions. That mean that in the fourth season you won't have money.

All this without buying players. And assuming you operating costs stay the same which they won't because players salaries will encrease very much.

That is my problem.

Btw PES didn't ask me to download new patch. I checked extra contents and it says there isn't any new patch available. The first time it poped up something telling me there was a patch available for 1.01. What's the problem?

arsenald said:

yo tech maybe you should post your concern over at pes fan as they are the official pes fan site which konami monitor..
Frankly i think that site is DEAD no one hardly posts, and this should be the official site!

http://forums.pesfan.com/showthread.php?t=236663

here mate

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Fuck Pesfan mate, Im pesgaming for life (or until further notice) :laugh:

Are you a member on that shit'ole, or even winning eleven noob boards?

Someone needs to wake the fuckers up about this, right now they are oiling each others asses about how smooth the game is post patch :laugh:

If we are wrong, thats fine, we just need some solid evidence and a proper resolution cos Im not playing 5 seasons of this master league to find myself selling shit non stop to make a buck.... like some kind of heroin addict going to cash converters everyday to get a tenner for his fix.

whoa whoa mate yes chill dude, i was just suggesting man....

you should lay off the pes man. but i could post for ya if you want to get it about! im a member of pesfan but dont post much but sod em at wenb cant stand em twats!

The Update is just 2 MB?
Or I am missing something?

Because thats the only thing that was downloaded.

Skeezix said:

The Update is just 2 MB?
Or I am missing something?

Because thats the only thing that was downloaded.

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Thats right, the update is 2mb for xbox, look in the corner of the title screen, it should say version 1.0.2 of summin like that.

arsenald said:

you should lay off the pes man. but i could post for ya if you want to get it about! im a member of pesfan but dont post much but sod em at wenb cant stand em twats!

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Maybe we should send this to pes fan?

Dear Konami,

There seems to be an issue in master league which means, that in only a few seasons your team can run out of money, simply by just keeping your existing squad and not signing/selling any players, which is not right and we dont remember this being an issue in older versions of PES such as the ones on PS2.


The following discussion took place on www.pesgaming.com and it prompted responses from other players who are having the same issue. Here is an illustration of this issue, can someone from Konami provide a response on this potential issue which we feel could have been made even worse after patch 1.0.2 because the cost of players has risen, therefore If you sign a player and dont sell one to balance the costs, your financial situation could end up so dire, continuing is pointless.

Below is an illustration of the issue, please provide a response that contains an explaination of how this can be avoided and if this cannot be avoided, please patch it ASAP.


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THE FOLLOWING QUESTION WAS ASKED ON PESGAMING.COM

Start a season with Real Madrid.

The budget was 255 million.

After salary and operating costs I have 124 million.

Expected earnings are for the rest of the season are +74 million (Sponsorship and income)

So does this mean I start next season with at least 198 million??

Because even if don't buy ANYONE, after salary and operating costs, I will have to pay another 124 million right (wages should be roughly same as last season?) meaning I will start season with about 74 million?


So, i'm already about 60 million pounds down on last year and that's even before I have bought players which are FAR MORE expensive than they used to be, so if this is right how long can this be sustained for? surely you would have to keep selling to be in profit?



THEN ANOTHER USER COMMENTED ON THE ABOVE AND REPORTED THE SAME ISSUE.


If you have 124 million after the first operating cost and your expected earnings are +74 million that mean that you will end the first season with 198 million. But in the start of the second one you will have to pay operating costs again, so you will have 68 millions in the start of the second season.

If your expected earnings stay the same in the start of the third season you will have 10 millions. That mean that in the fourth season you won't have money.

All this without buying players. And assuming you operating costs stay the same which they won't because players salaries will increase very much.

You should add the solution which is simply to add the home win bonuses and sponsorship bonuses.

This patch would ruin master league for me, which I quite enjoy this year, so I won't download it until it hopefully gets fixed.

Cesc Fabregas said:

You should add the solution which is simply to add the home win bonuses and sponsorship bonuses.

This patch would ruin master league for me, which I quite enjoy this year, so I won't download it until it hopefully gets fixed.

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You mean increase the Win bonuses and Sponsorship bonuses?

If so, i think you are right, I cannot see how Master League is sustainable in its present state, ive checked my expected earnings for my barca master league, Im fucked, no point in bothering, ill be dead in 4 seasons unless I pimp my ass out to make ends meet.

the update is not yet available in U.S. WTF! IT'S 2:00PM