smudger2008
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I have noticed that happening to me.
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I have noticed that happening to me.
blonkeheer
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It is f*cking annoying when I am at the wings and I cross a ball into the area, I shoot the ball to the opposite side of the wing, WHY can't the player shoot the ball into the area without kicking the ball like his life depends on it?
S-D-P
Registered User
I made a thread a few months back about the biased refs, there a fucking travesty at times with their desperate pathetic protection of the AI. Yet another balancing act by konami, the refs have to be more consistent I dont remember konami outlining the refs having personality and being inconsistent so this shittiness needs to stop. The amount of times the AI has assaulted me in ML and the ref has just skipped by as though nothing has happened is laughable(not at the time as another controller turns to dust). Sorry about the waffling rant I just find it mind numbing in the year 2011 we have cheating refs.
I also get game where the ref seems to want to help me so it seems to be a momentum thing, Seabass loves shit like that momentum shifts etc.
I also get game where the ref seems to want to help me so it seems to be a momentum thing, Seabass loves shit like that momentum shifts etc.
Capt Canuck
Registered User
For me I've found that is down to whether they are physically engaged with a defender or off-balance. When that's the case then they do ping it out of touch on the other side.
The refs really do exist in their own world and its the last 15mins - whistle in their pocket acts - that can really get annoying. It's like anything within 5 yds of the 18 yd box becomes an anything goes rugby scrum. Unless I've got a big CF on the pitch, it can get a bit like a tackling drill on occasion.
S-D-P
Registered User
I find semi assist bearable, I get so fucked off when the game decides to de select and take over my commands though, had an instance last night where I had my CF poised, selected and ready to power in a header, the game decided it wanted to score for me and selected someone else, a very hollow feeling when the game scores for you and undermines user skill and engineered for freedom.
I think most of the cursor issues are purposely implemented as a balancing act by konami. Some nights I have little issue with the cursor change and then other times it decides to be the most spasticated system ever in a PES game. It limits what you can do with manual passing which is also a problem.
Sminky
Registered User
The PES Tournoi will be only human players and I'm hoping to limit my annoyance by using manual only playing switching. Granted its not ideal but it'll save me a few red cards and defenders running away from the ball for no reason whatsoever.
Ultimate777
Banned
Yep I've stopped with the game. I can't get into master league offline after getting into online. But online mode is just too annoying and time consuming.
The game rewards cheating as so many people now know the quit game without losing points and money. Or just take advantage of the stupid referee's in the game that have no consistency or any idea what a foul is. While in tournament mode you can waste time and the game gets abandoned.
One game I was playing, the player just fouled from start to finish with blatant tackles from behind with all his players. 3 of them picked up yellow cards. No kidding. He managed to injure two of players and only towards the end of the second half did he get a man sent off and that was because of two yellows.
And the passing delay is just ridiculous I'm tapping the button and my player doesn't react but gives the ball away and concedes a goal.
But of course for pes2012 we can look forward to having a net editor that's going to sort shit like this out, aint that right SDP?
The game rewards cheating as so many people now know the quit game without losing points and money. Or just take advantage of the stupid referee's in the game that have no consistency or any idea what a foul is. While in tournament mode you can waste time and the game gets abandoned.
One game I was playing, the player just fouled from start to finish with blatant tackles from behind with all his players. 3 of them picked up yellow cards. No kidding. He managed to injure two of players and only towards the end of the second half did he get a man sent off and that was because of two yellows.
And the passing delay is just ridiculous I'm tapping the button and my player doesn't react but gives the ball away and concedes a goal.
But of course for pes2012 we can look forward to having a net editor that's going to sort shit like this out, aint that right SDP?
S-D-P
Registered User
alp-pacino
Registered User
I had a replay of the a.I hacking 3 of my players down from behind while I was in their box and to make it worse the referee awarded me a freekick outside the box and didn't even card the comp I mean iv had a player sent off for tackling from the front and not even touch their player just the ball and I get a red and the comp gets nothing? It makes me sick, also the stupid created player bug in masterleague is just amatuerish honestly it shud have been updated by now my player left my club despite being played every match and went on a free to a shitty team in div 2 who finished bottom of the league what a joke konami has turned into the makers of fallout new vegas a bloody joke !
Ultimate777
Banned
Don't forget more costumes and more freedom to edit players hairstyles and boots.
Konami are seriously off their fucking face if they think this is what needs placing in the game.
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Amateur
Registered User
And in my opinion, the game has not really improved. Like you mentioned, no one is forcing me to buy their products, yet they are stealing money nonetheless, because they are selling yearly updates at $60 a pop.
PES11 was my last charity to Konami, the next time around, I will not buy it or I will buy a used one; I cannot permit myself to give away yet another $60 to a company that has released the very same video game for the last fives years, sellinhg ONE video game for $300 -- that, forced or not, is stealing, that is a scam, if you disagree you are being naive.
Seabass is too stubborn my ass; what excuse do you have for EA Sports? Do you really think that they do not know what is wrong with their respective products? They know precisely what needs to be done, but they also know that they will make more profit by selling yearly updates at $60 a pop.
I fully disagree with you on this. And by the way, I do not have a negative view on everything, you do not even know me, the only thing you know about me is that I have an interest in football simulation, yet that is enough information for you to say that I have a negative view on everything -- pretty much tells me all I need to know, oh, and of course, Seabass is just a stubborn man who manages to be very successful.
Ali
It is happening again
Sorry, when I said negative view on everything... I meant with regards to PES.... and Football777 of course
You don't need to be so bloody defensive all the time. Lines like "you don't even know me" are completely unnecessary.I think PES 2009 and PES 2010 were pretty much identical. PES 2011 has made great steps by trying to introduce 360 gameplay. Obviously, it doesn't qutie work, we all know that. But the signs are there. Once they work out a way to make the AI actually good, then we'll be talking!!
The guys at EA know they are on top at the moment and have to do very little each year to outsell PES. The guys at Konami must know this, the know they need to improve.
In terms of general gameplay (ignoring the cheating for one moment), can't you say that 2011 is an improvement on 2010?
Sminky
Registered User
The lord giveth with one hand and taketh with the other. Basic terms, yes there are improvements but then the fuck ups seriously detract from them. I still have hopes that PES2012 will be a considerable improvement - but if they use the same engine then I'll bid adieu to the series. I'm fed up buying this game every year just to be disappointed.
Amateur
Registered User
That for me is what it all boils down to, I was a massive fan of the series, but the same bullshit in year 2011 is just too much for me.
The game is restricted by the fact that Konami and every other company wants to make user friendly video games, which is why the manual passing in PES is not really manual, because it is restricted by the fact that the fundamental mechanics of the game MUST function equally with manual passing and with assisted passing; therefore, "manual passing" is just a slightly less assisted passing system than the assisted passing system.
So this is not a hardware or technological restriction, this restriction exists simply because Konami wants to make more money, and the way to make more money is to make user friendly video games; unfortunately, this comes at the expense of the real fans who expect real improvements, but it is the truth.
The ability of the user is undermined by many things, and more importantly, the ability required to exploit very obvious flaws is not really an ability in my opinion; it's just dull and superficial, it has failed to improve.
I do not see why I should pay $60 for a yearly update that has failed to FUNDAMENTALLY improve after five years time, it is a scam, and quite simply, I do not want to invest any more of my money into a company that on a yearly basis sells me a cheap update at the top price of a massive overhaul.
Sminky
Registered User
Bang on chap. Have some positive rep!
Ali
It is happening again
No!!! Don't encourage him :laugh:
The thing is, though, WILL you stay away? I take my Dad for example. For years (especially under the Megson era), he kept saying that this was his last year with a Bolton season ticket... yet years on, he's still going. I fully expect him to say the same towards the end of this season.
Some of us have grown up with PES. We bitch and moan about it all the time. But in our hearts, we can't leave it. We still cling on to the memories of the glory years, and this drives us! Every year we look forward to PES. Often we're left disappointed.... but we still keep playing.... we can't tear ourselves away!
I fully expect Amateur, Sminky, S-D-P (several controllers later), myself to be here bitching about the game that we love, the same time next year.
Amateur
Registered User
Sorry, when I said negative view on everything... I meant with regards to PES.... and Football777 of course
I think PES 2009 and PES 2010 were pretty much identical. PES 2011 has made great steps by trying to introduce 360 gameplay. Obviously, it doesn't qutie work, we all know that. But the signs are there. Once they work out a way to make the AI actually good, then we'll be talking!!
The guys at EA know they are on top at the moment and have to do very little each year to outsell PES. The guys at Konami must know this, the know they need to improve.
In terms of general gameplay (ignoring the cheating for one moment), can't you say that 2011 is an improvement on 2010?
I don't know dude, when someone says to me that I have a negative view on EVERYTHING.... well, it makes sense to say that you do not know me enough to say such a thing; it is defensive, but only because it was provoked by a misunderstanding.
As for PES,
I think that PES10 had a better hook than PES11, and what's worst, I find that PES10 had more hidden potential than PES11: PES11 is just radically simplistic, to the point it just feels like another FIFA game, null and void and without potential.
With PES10 I feel I had more control over ground passes, it was more responsive and more comfortable, it did not had a power bar for passing the ball, but it just felt better and more consistent.
I know when I give a good pass in PES10, on the other hand, in PES11 every single pass feels laser-guided by something that has little to do with my ability as a gamer, since the new passing system is a hit-or-miss system where you do not really know when it will hit or miss, passing is now extremely sensitive in a negative hit-or-miss way.
With PES10, you could easily play very short ground passes, the power or weight of passes was not determined by an outrageously sensitive power bar, instead, it was determined by the left analog stick as well other secondary factors, which gave a great depth and feel to GROUND passes.
With PES11, it is practically impossible to make very short ground passes, considering that the slightest of touches on the passing button will have the ball covering a space of more than five feet of distance; this being a result of the sensitive power bar which offers little depth in PES11.
Passing the ball in PES11 felt, as a first impression, more difficult because the pass will not automatically reach the target, you now have to direct the pass exactly where it should go; however, after that first impression expired, I was left with the definite sensation that the passing is now more assisted than in PES10.
It is easier to send miss-placed or miss-timed passes in PES11 because the passing system of PES11 is hit-or-miss on purpose, which creates the impression or illusion that PES11 offers more depth when in reality it doesn't.
If you knew how to pass the ball correctly in PES10, you know that PES10 offered more freedom, more precision, more comfort, more responsiveness, more excitement, and more consistency, when passing the ball through the ground.
With PES11 you have a better structured passing system, where the user is forced into passing the ball in accordance to the how the system was designed to function, as a result, the passing system is better structure but more restrictive. On the other hand, with PES10, the passing system was not well structured but it offered more freedom to the user.
With PES11, Konami simply took the passing system of PES10 and simplified everything, making it a more user friendly experience (similar to FIFA), resulting in a better structured but more restrictive experience; but engineered for freedom? Far from that, PES10 offered more freedom, which is a fact that can be proven with video footage.
With PES10 I have the ability of dictating my own script, meaning that I know when and where a series of movements will happen: meaning that I can create my own circumstances on the fly, and also react to the circumstance that I have created. This is possible in PES10 by playing around with the L2 Strategies, albeit with great limitations, because you can ONLY create two different type of circumstances.
The hidden potential that PES10 offered, was demonstrated by the incredible difference between reacting to user-dictated scenarios and reacting to com-dictated scenarios; and logically, the potential is that considering you can only create two types of user-dictated scenarios by using the L2 Strategies....
Imagine how revolutionary it would be if the game revolved around a system where you can create countless types of user-dictated scenarios?
A system that actually requires user input in order to function, a system that will not functio0n without user input; that was the hidden potential that PES10 offered....
But of course, with PES11 this is all broken, because the Select Strategies of PES11 do not work like the L2 Strategies of PES10: it is now impossible to create user-dictated scenarios, it is now ONLY possible to react to a com-dictated script.
Like Seabass said prior to the release of PES11: “Every time we release a new version we've found that the freedom of the game has gradually disappeared. We maybe made it too complicated.”
With the phrase “too complicated”, what Seabass really means is that what they originally wanted to do would take too much time because it was complicated, thus, they have simplified everything in a effort to achieve noticeable short-term changes, thus making PES a better structured but more restrictive experience, and calling it an improvement.
PES has not really improved, I know that much for a fact, it's just that we now have a better structured and thus more user friendly video game, but better structured is not the equivalent of more freedom: associating a better structured but more restrictive video game with the term "freedom" was a cheap tactic used by Konami as a selling point.
You may say that this is my opinion, but I am telling you that it is a fact.... Konami simplified everything, made the game more fluid, and then associated a very restrictive and simplistic video game with the word "freedom", which worked perfectly as a selling point, but now we know that the whole "engineered for freedom" thing is really fiction.