Overrated players: Martins!!!
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muscularmatt
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Ribery is not overrated. He has been over the past five or six years, and still is, one of the world's best wingers. Robben isn't overrated in the sense that he's also that good when playing well. It's just that we don't always see that from him, from a combination of injuries and not always having his head in the right space.
I think we can just all agree that Obafemi Martins is crap.
I think we can just all agree that Obafemi Martins is crap.
Ali
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Ah, now that's a good way to put it!
When he's at his worst, it can see that he lacks ideas, and defenders can spot what he's doing a mile away.
I know Robben is primarily used on the right, but personally I've always wanted to see him on the left wing.
He's got bags of pace, can bomb past defenders, but when he's on the right, he has to cut inside to his left foot, would be great to see him whipping in some crosses from the left on his favourite foot.
EDIT: Haha [MENTION=216487]NeedHelp[/MENTION] - I thought you might be a Bayern fan. Can't really take your opinions too seriously then can I, since you're naturally a bit biased towards your players.
Ali
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Maybe subconsciously perhaps.
Anyway, I'm sure there are players in the EPL, Serie A, La Liga etc - everyone tells you they're amazing, yet whenever you've seen them, they've been average, and thus you gain an opinion that they're overrated.
The fact is, with most players (apart from those at your own club), you'll only ever see them in highlights, and in the odd match here and there, and thus, you'll have a different opinion of them, than those who see them play week in, week out.
It works the other way around too. I might see a player every week in the highlights packages, and say "ooh, this guy is awesome", but then a fan of the club he plays for might say "no, he's shit most of the time, he only looks good in the highlights".
I don't watch CL games consistently.
I willing to step down with my arguments anyway, due to the fact that pretty much everyone disagrees with me :laugh:.
Let's move on to Robben. What would you say about him? He was hit and miss at Chelsea, and although he has progressed since then, from what I've seen of him, he is very much the same. Every now and then he'll do something amazing..... but a lot of the time he seems to look very average to me.
Oh, btw Bite.Me - you can use the edit button instead of posting more than once in succession. Or us the multiquote button - ", if you want to quote more than 1 post.
Ali I agree with you on Robben...and I'm a Bayern fan:laugh:
Martins has a top shot power!! come on...are you saying Martins have a better shot power than Sneijder or Lampard??..and a top speed higher than CR7??
Then why is he playing for Levante?
and Messi is all about top speed...he can outpace any defender with and without the ball
Your post clearly stated that you had never seen Ribery look impressive on the international stage. However, for some reason, you now put a timeline to it. Why is that?
You are correct about his inconsistencies at Chelsea. During his tenure at the club, Robben was Chelsea's worst player. However, he was also Chelsea's best player. When he was on his game, he was unstoppable. Chelsea couldn't get an adequate replacement until the club's recent purchase of Hazard. Malouda was garbage.
Ali
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[MENTION=172076]Macksam[/MENTION]
Stop being pedantic. Sorry that I can't remember everything that happened in the last 6 years.
I've just had a look at the team of the tournament:
Gianluigi Buffon
Jens Lehmann
Ricardo
Roberto Ayala
John Terry
Lilian Thuram
Philipp Lahm
Fabio Cannavaro
Gianluca Zambrotta
Ricardo Carvalho
Zé Roberto
Patrick Vieira
Zinedine Zidane
Michael Ballack
Andrea Pirlo
Gennaro Gattuso
Francesco Totti
Luís Figo
Maniche
Hernán Crespo
Thierry Henry
Miroslav Klose
Luca Toni
No Ribery to be found, so he couldn't have been that great.
Like I said, the only people who can really judge him, is those who watch him week in, week out.
[MENTION=201409]oziz14[/MENTION]
A shit player can have better shot power than a great player, and better pace. The thing that makes the difference is how they use these attributes. With regards to shot power - Ronaldo (for example) is powerful AND accurate, which is what makes him one of the best. Messi isn't that powerful, but again he's VERY accurate and clinical.
Martins could have more power than those players, but that doesn't make him better.
Same with pace. Messi is fast, but not the fastest in the world by a long shot. The thing that stands him above the rest is his amazing ball control and balance.
Remember Dennis Rommedahl? Decent player, but hardly set the world alight. In his peak, he was regarded as one of the fastest players in the world, but that didn't make him the best.
Stop being pedantic. Sorry that I can't remember everything that happened in the last 6 years.
I've just had a look at the team of the tournament:
Gianluigi Buffon
Jens Lehmann
Ricardo
Roberto Ayala
John Terry
Lilian Thuram
Philipp Lahm
Fabio Cannavaro
Gianluca Zambrotta
Ricardo Carvalho
Zé Roberto
Patrick Vieira
Zinedine Zidane
Michael Ballack
Andrea Pirlo
Gennaro Gattuso
Francesco Totti
Luís Figo
Maniche
Hernán Crespo
Thierry Henry
Miroslav Klose
Luca Toni
No Ribery to be found, so he couldn't have been that great.
Like I said, the only people who can really judge him, is those who watch him week in, week out.
[MENTION=201409]oziz14[/MENTION]
A shit player can have better shot power than a great player, and better pace. The thing that makes the difference is how they use these attributes. With regards to shot power - Ronaldo (for example) is powerful AND accurate, which is what makes him one of the best. Messi isn't that powerful, but again he's VERY accurate and clinical.
Martins could have more power than those players, but that doesn't make him better.
Same with pace. Messi is fast, but not the fastest in the world by a long shot. The thing that stands him above the rest is his amazing ball control and balance.
Remember Dennis Rommedahl? Decent player, but hardly set the world alight. In his peak, he was regarded as one of the fastest players in the world, but that didn't make him the best.
8salacious9
Registered User
Well I have a lot of opinions on overrated players, but the top underrated player even at his young age is chamberlain, he's strong, fast, a good dribbler, can score goals, he's a beast, yet he's ratings are awful.. Dribbling at 81 I think it was? It should be 87, body balance is also way too low, pato and messi are overrated, messi is not fast at all, he's just runs faster than most with the ball coz he's so short, I also believe that there should be a proper mentalility rating which effects performance significantly, but is affected throughout a match, so first 70 minutes mentality could be low, then all of a sudden player could find some motivation and his mental rise, making his stats slightly higher, then it could go back down at 83 minutes, i feel it's more reflective, also if one scores a goal, that could spur a 15 minute flurry of attacks, as usually seen on tv..
Sminky
Registered User
Alright mate, no need to have a dig. I'm allowed to have an opinion, I can only base my opinions on what I've seen, can't I?
You're not a Bayern fan by any chance, are you? You seem to feel very passionately about this.
Indeed you are so and I shall defend your right to have an opinion and I shall defend your right to this benighted postulation.
Although I think perchance you have been somewhat 777 esque in the sweeping castigations of said players. I wouldn't class the team of the tournament as an entirely accurate gauging of the team of the tournament (Totti was dross at WC2006 and dropped after the 2nd group game I believe).
I seem to recall Ribery had a very good game against Spain in the knock out stages of WC2006, a game France won 3-1. Horses for courses I know.
Ali
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81 is a fair score I think. It's still pretty damn good! Plus, he's young, so by the time he's fully developed in ML, it might reach around 95.
Anyway, as a few people have suggested, they should just bloody scrap the overall rating. We probably wouldn't be having this argument if there was none :laugh: (and by argument I mean me vs the rest of the forum seemingly)!
They should go back to how it used to be - all attributes on one "page" (ie not split up into categories), no overalls, and bring back the hexagons (which a lot of people seem to be in favour of, though I can't say I used them too much myself).
Firstly, that statement is about Totti is utterly ridiculous, he started every game in that tournament, was subbed off early against USA because they went down to ten men and he isn't know for his pace and tracking back, he scored the penalty agaisnt Australia in the last minute and was widely recognised as having a good tournament.
Secondly, Ribery wasn't voted in the team, and one match shouldn't make that, but the main point is this was six years ago, so to those arguing the case of Ribery based on this, it was a long time ago, his talent is there but whether he shines every time is a different story, I personally think he is over-rated , in real life too.
Shaggy 0205
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You are right absolutely
U know what , the other day I was playing fifa I was thinking tha same that u said before how busquets runs so fast , and I was playing with chamberlain he had. The same speed . EA shoul fix it and I think PES is doing better
U know what , the other day I was playing fifa I was thinking tha same that u said before how busquets runs so fast , and I was playing with chamberlain he had. The same speed . EA shoul fix it and I think PES is doing better
I didn't compare Martins with Messi in terms of shot power...I said Sneijder and Lampard
Ali
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I know, but the same rule applies. Just because Sneijder and Lampard are better shooters on the whole, doesn't mean they're more powerful.
Obviously, this doesn't just apply to Martins. You could find a player in the Championship with better shot power than these guys - but he might not consistently hit the target as much as Sneijder and Lampard, because they are BETTER shooters. Can you see where I'm coming from?